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Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by thatguy0900 on Friday December 17, 2021 @02:41AM (#29589087)
I wonder how much time we have left for a real citizen revolution. Is is not difficult to imagine a near future with an automated and mechanized military and police with equipment that cannot go rogue. People in the US like to talk about guns as protections against state tyranny but not many have automated laser point defence for drone attacks.
Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by mellavora on Friday December 17, 2021 @04:27AM (#29589837)
I miss the days when people were better educated in civics.

You are right, people talk about guns as protection against state tyrany, but they forget that the reason it works as protection against the state is because the person bringing violence against the state is willing to become a martyr.

The more the state pays in blood, the more it looses it legitimacy.

Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by ModernMech on Friday December 17, 2021 @11:51AM (#29594753)
Tyranny doesn’t happen by force. Tyranny doesn’t look like a burglar breaking into your house, and defeating tyranny doesn’t look like you gunning them down.

Tyranny is invited. It happens when you willingly open the door to someone who says they are going to solve all your problems, yet they never do.

They will always blame someone else when the problems aren’t solved, and you will believe them because you believed them once before. You won’t even recognize this as tyranny because you will be so outraged at the people the tyrant tells you are to blame for your problems. Slowly these people disappear, yet the problems remain.

Until one day the tyrant blames you for the problems of the world. And suddenly you recognize the tyranny for what it is. You reach for your gun but it does you no good. At this point the tyrant has turned everyone against you, just as he had turned you against others.

The process continues until there’s no one left to blame, and the tyrant at this point usually ends up hanging from a tree, or hiding in a hole in the ground.

But at no point in this process is a gun useful for preventing tyranny, unless you’re willing to actually be a martyr and kill the tyrant before anyone recognizes him as such. You’ll be labeled a murderer and sentenced to life in prison, but you will have prevented tyranny.

Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by kelseyfrog on Friday December 17, 2021 @02:49AM (#29589145)
A work stoppage is more realistic than direct combat. What are they going to do? Force us to work?

For example, with the way supply chains are right now, how much leverage do transportation/logistics workers have to force a change?

Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by gentleman11 on Friday December 17, 2021 @03:07AM (#29589294)
Strikes are illegal in many industries. So, literally, the answer is yes
Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by DnDGrognard on Friday December 17, 2021 @04:59AM (#29590079)
Not many industries and not all strikes have to be legal
Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by phreeza on Friday December 17, 2021 @03:17AM (#29589363)
Can't force someone to not strike who never entered the workforce in a meaningful way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_ping https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=JXII

Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by kelseyfrog on Friday December 17, 2021 @10:25AM (#29593397)
Fascinating! Any more info on which industries and by which means people would be forced to work?
Re:Worker pay isn’t keeping up with inflation by notreallyserio on Friday December 17, 2021 @11:01AM (#29593970)
> People in the US like to talk about guns as protections against state tyranny

They do, but you can ignore it -- it's mostly lies and bluster. If they insist, ask them the last time they participated in (or even saw) an uprising due to government theft by civil asset forfeiture.