If you don't like that maybe you should stop doing enterprise Java for a living. There are whole other worlds of programming out there.

This. My company recently had a training session for their new development platform. Creating one entity with four attributes using "best practices" of TDD and abstracting everything resulted in over 20 Java and XML files and over 2000 lines of code. Each individual piece of that bloat had a somewhat reasonable justification, but the net result was just ridiculous. I had already decided to accept a less enterprisey job elsewhere, and am now even more convinced it was the right call.

Wow. That sounded so ridiculous, I'm tempted to go on with my life believing you made it up.

Not sure what the down votes were for, it was clearly meant tongue in cheek, I do actually believe the guy, I merely wished I didn't.

Man, this place it very quickly turning into reddit with the voting.

Agreed. Not taking joy in programming says more about you than the state of programming.

Let me help you get started:

http://www.findinglisp.com

> I will assert that you simply can't program any non-trivial program in Java or C++ without an "Environment" to help you.

How large is non-trivial? I've built some pretty big systems using only javac, java, a text editor, and make.

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Try writing for embedded systems. Not much room for bloat when you have to jam the code into the flash space on a microcontroller.

The fact that everybody Googles what others have already done, instead of reading a manual (which no longer exists anyway) says it all.

Suppose your car mechanic did that?

As a web developer I've lately been noticing this problem as well. Pretty much everything I do lately is about integrating this or that API, producing a little bit of glue code and that's it.

Even working for startups mostly doesn't solve the problem ... what I need is a good algorithmic challenge. Something fun and cool.

But I fear I might have lost the ability to even design algorithms due to all this tools stuff.

Don't tell my team. We have a blast every day.

Mysql error.

I thought that was the post itself... very meta.

Can you please change the skin so I can read it comfortably? The content area is too narrow.