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Re:Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much wo... by PragmaticPulp on Thursday December 16, 2021 @03:55PM (#29583780)
I guarantee his 0 hour days (mentioned in the post) are infinitely less productive than his peers' 8 hour days.

In the real world, someone who is 4-8X more productive than their peers is also significantly more senior and therefore paid significantly more. You don't see seasoned experts on the same teams as inexperienced juniors all getting paid the same.

In my experience, the best team cohesion happens when everyone is putting in similar amounts of effort.

Re:Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much wo... by koonsolo on Thursday December 16, 2021 @05:15PM (#29584743)
Seasoned expert here. I think your reasoning is just wishfull thinking.

What if the seasonal expert is the 5 minutes work person, and the juniors the 5 hour work people (yeah, I said 4 hours because I don't believe any developer can output 6+ hours per day consistently)

On the other hand, as a seasoned expert, I sometimes solve an issue in 5 minutes which took a junior a day to still not figure it out.

Re:Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much wo... by winterplace on Thursday December 16, 2021 @05:47PM (#29585039)
How many years of experience would you put to seasoned expert?
Re:Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much wo... by koonsolo on Friday December 17, 2021 @01:19AM (#29588560)
I have 18 years of professional experience (after getting my Masters degree in CS), so I would count that as seasoned :).

I think 15 years would do, to be named a such.

Re:Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much wo... by gassiss on Thursday December 16, 2021 @06:22PM (#29585426)
at one point you had to work hard to learn the things that you did, no chance you're a seasoned expert working 5 minutes per day
Re:Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much wo... by koonsolo on Friday December 17, 2021 @01:33AM (#29588662)
No that is true and I definitely agree with that.

I guess you end up in a 5 minute job when your work is really boring.

Re:Ask HN: Are most of us developers lying about how much wo... by abledon on Thursday December 16, 2021 @04:33PM (#29584239)
yeah, but maybe each of his 1 hours on his 5 hour work day, is more productive than the 8 hours of the coworker. e.g. code-reuse instead of bloating system with unnecessary classes/interfaces/designpatterns

> You don't see seasoned experts on the same teams as inexperienced juniors all getting paid the same.

But don't you? There are tons of accounts now of juniors joining and getting inflation adjusted salaries, and a loyal old dog discovering that his 'high salary' is actually just a smidgen above what this new young buck is getting