I'm saying that if you're trying to understand dynamics of power and sex and your conclusion is that the big issues are men are traumatized because nobody liked them as teens and older women ask for too much, you're so far off the mark from the real world that there's no point in trying to explain the disconnect. My comment wasn't to educate anyone, just a beacon for anyone else who is disheartened by the collective psyche of the folks who post about women on HN.

None of this is disputing the broad gendered trends in "sexual value" (ew) by the way - aging is social hell for women as far as I can tell.

> None of this is disputing the broad gendered trends in "sexual value" (ew) by the way

> aging is social hell for women as far as I can tell

So what you're saying is you actually agree with the notion that older women are less valued and therefore have less leverage and power than younger women.

I don't know about the teens thing but if we accept the above as true then women overestimating their own worth is well within the realm of possibility. So how come you say it's "so far off the mark from the real world"?

Why is aging "social hell" for women? Because other people don't treat them the way they hope to be treated?

Fwiw, I agree with you that older women face an uphill battle in society. It's just curious that you extend sympathy to them but not others.