Re:For a second straight year, school enrollment is dropping
by mannerheim on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:07PM
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In terms of education spending, the US spends more than ever other OECD country other than Luxembourg.
The US spends an unusually large share on private education, but even public education expenditures are greater than that of the UK, France, Korea, and Japan, about the same as the Netherlands, and not that far behind Germany
https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/5e4ecc25-en/index.html?i...
Re:For a second straight year, school enrollment is dropping
by throwawaygh on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:44PM
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You eventually get there: the US blows a ton of cash on private education, but our public education expenditures -- which this thread has been about up to now -- are unexceptional compared to peer nations. Smack-dab in the middle of the usually pack, really. (And we're also a far less dense country than many of the countries we technically out-spend, which is notable because rural schooling is horrendously expensive on a per student basis.)
If you rolled back to 60s level spending, even inflation adjusted, we'd be down the bottom of that distribution.
Re:For a second straight year, school enrollment is dropping
by mannerheim on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:46PM
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Either way, claiming that education is underfunded is unfounded unless most of the other OECD countries are similarly underfunding education.
Re:For a second straight year, school enrollment is dropping
by r00fus on Thursday December 16, 2021 @01:28AM
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Why would we even count private education in this discussion? There are no policy controls on private school spend - of course, it's skyrocketing as the rich get richer.
Re:For a second straight year, school enrollment is dropping
by mannerheim on Thursday December 16, 2021 @01:45AM
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This is moot; as I said, spending on public schools alone in the US is greater than many other OECD countries.
Re:For a second straight year, school enrollment is dropping
by r00fus on Thursday December 16, 2021 @11:09AM
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It's on-par with OECD countries, per-child.
Re:For a second straight year, school enrollment is dropping
by mannerheim on Thursday December 16, 2021 @12:48PM
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It's greater than the UK, France, Korea, and Japan. Either way, hardly underfunded.
> since the 1960s
Right. The 60s.
The 60s are ALWAYS used as the reference point in these conversations. Every. Single. Time.
The ESEA, a cornerstone of the War on Poverty, was passed in 1965. Most other federal/state mandates that brought nearly everyone into the public education fold were passed after 1960. What it meant to educate the populace changed dramatically between 1960 and 1980. Huge swathes of people previously excluded were brought into the fold. Of course costs went up -- those people were excluded precisely because they're not the low-hanging cheap-to-educate fruit.
> fewer than 50% of employees were actually teachers.
Teachers are not the only class of employees who spend most/all of their time in direct contact with students. See above.
I'm not interested in the percent of employees who are teachers. I'm interested in the percent of employees who are not either in direct contact with students or providing essential services (janitorial, transportation, food services, etc.)