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Re:The Attack on Rooftop Solar Power in California Is Beyond... by ericmay on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @04:26PM (#29571843)
And with the proliferation of battery technology, eventually the solar owners (and increasing numbers of them) may just disconnect from the grid and then the numbers really won't work.

My off the cuff solution here is that energy providers/plants/etc. need to invest in storage capacity, or eventually the economic incentives will win out and people just won't buy energy from them in states where solar + battery works.

If you are a net producer of energy, the only calculus that makes sense (unless you want to pay for access to the grid as a form of insurance) is that you get money for providing energy back to the grid. Otherwise you just disconnect and figure it out afterward.

With renewals, decentralization of energy production, and battery proliferation we're going to see some interesting market dynamics play out here soon. We probably need a general energy market accessible to producers as small as a single person all the way up to a nuclear plant. Perhaps you should be able to log in to an energy market like you do your brokerage and buy or sell energy.

Re:The Attack on Rooftop Solar Power in California Is Beyond... by bsder on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @04:46PM (#29572010)
> may just disconnect from the grid and then the numbers really won't work

Which works until everybody is off the grid and then collapses.

Everybody relies on the fact that the grid is ubiquitous. Street lights, traffic lights, water pumps, etc. When the grid isn't ubiquitous, you lose all manner of things we take for granted.

We've seen this before in California. Some suburbs made a point of being in unincorporated land to avoid being associated with LA. Well, they found out really quickly that their infrastructure was horribly expensive when they had to pay for it all themselves.

Re:The Attack on Rooftop Solar Power in California Is Beyond... by leephillips on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @06:14PM (#29572759)
In other words, the grid is part of critical infrastructure. As such, it should be a governmental function supported by taxes, rather than a product invested in by private companies.
Re:The Attack on Rooftop Solar Power in California Is Beyond... by etempleton on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @11:14PM (#29574752)
The lack of energy storage is the issue. If the utilities could pay users to deploy the energy when they needed it there wouldn’t be an issue. The problem is solar energy peaks and there is nothing that can be done with that energy because power plants take time to bring on and off line. Natural Gas is relatively quick to bring online, but it still takes time and money.

We no longer have a renewable energy production challenge. If we wanted to we could produce more than enough energy with wind and solar energy cheaply. The problem is we don’t have good affordable energy storage solutions.