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Re:Work/life balance should be difficult by dionidium on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @02:24PM (#29570453)
> "We need work" is a social fact, nothing more, and it's only true as much as it's believed to be true. To me it stands out like pickle in pancake, maybe it can for you too.

Something I believe, but can't really prove is that this is completely wrong and there's very little about the need for "work" that's socially determined. We are biological creatures that evolved under very specific circumstances. And "work" in the most basic sense is a big part of that. We need to be struggling to feed ourselves (or simulating it) -- every day. Most of us wither and die when that need is removed.

Re:Work/life balance should be difficult by what_is_orcas on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @03:23PM (#29571149)
That's cute, but it doesn't make sense.

Most (I avoid saying all, because I'm not that smart) animals, when not surviving (finding food, consuming food, finding sex, having sex) are super idle. It's energetically expensive to work, and, so far as I can tell, nothing has evolved to be energetically stressed.

If we're throwing around words like "evolution" we need to understand that we're talking about genetic survival (passing genes on through generations). The state of "struggling to feed ourselves" is directly antithetical to the goal of having sex. At best you could argue that the hypothesis that peacocks attract mates with their flamboyant tail feathers suggests that they've survived to maturity as intact as they are because of their good genes (survival in spite of being an easy, colorful target for predators), but that's a stretch.

Re:Work/life balance should be difficult by dionidium on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @04:02PM (#29571579)
> Most (I avoid saying all, because I'm not that smart) animals, when not surviving (finding food, consuming food, finding sex, having sex) are super idle. It's energetically expensive to work, and, so far as I can tell, nothing has evolved to be energetically stressed.

"[F]inding food, consuming food, finding sex, having sex" is the work I'm talking about. So, yes, animals are either working or they're "super idle." There's no third mode where they're, like, finding their true selves. They're either working or they're asleep.

Re:Work/life balance should be difficult by what_is_orcas on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @06:47PM (#29573030)
Ok, I want to say "well how does sitting in a basement with 10 other people making data go from server a to database fit into that" but I feel like the common answer boils down to "ETL is just an abstraction of that work. It takes the place of finding food because [capitalism]"... so yeah, in capitalism, you're right. But capitalism is bad and is a bad excuse to do so many of the things that we do.

I'd love to hear a different argument.

Re:Work/life balance should be difficult by dionidium on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @10:09PM (#29574354)
We're probably just really, really far apart on potentially every point on which this conversation might want to turn. For example, I'm a capitalist and from your short response above it's likely that what I think is obvious is the exact opposite of everything you think is obvious, so I'm not sure there's hope of resolving much here.
Re:Work/life balance should be difficult by nradov on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @07:47PM (#29573504)
Capitalism can only be "bad" in relation to some other specific alternative. What are you proposing exactly?
Re:Work/life balance should be difficult by kelseyfrog on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @08:17PM (#29573688)
It can just be bad. Requiring a superior alternative us another kind of trick. Identifying problems and providing solutions are two different things. Combining the two is a clever way to set an artificial bar on what can be discussed.
Re:Work/life balance should be difficult by nradov on Thursday December 16, 2021 @01:35AM (#29575632)
There's no such thing as just bad. Bad is a relative term. I can run better than the average person, but I'm a bad runner compared to Eliud Kipchoge.
Re:Work/life balance should be difficult by ryeights on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @02:57PM (#29570821)
Who’s to say that the work we do is a good simulation? Most jobs are not fulfilling, and our country is in the midst of a mental health crisis
Re:Work/life balance should be difficult by dionidium on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @04:04PM (#29571617)
Probably this is true. Something about specialization, maybe.