Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about
by underwater on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @12:46AM
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My point was that the definition of progressivism is, literally "support for or advocacy of social reform", while conservatism is "seeks to promote and to preserve traditional social institutions." If you want to see social change, then you're progressive. How you think that should happen -- whether it is measured or radical -- is secondary.
Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about
by ravel-bar-foo on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @08:33AM
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Under that definition, a self-proclaimed libertarian would be a progressive, as would someone who wants to replace public schools with religious institutions. A neocon, who wants to forcefully bring democracy to a foreign country, would be a progressive in that country. Perhaps different terms are more useful.
Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about
by jjoonathan on Thursday December 16, 2021 @12:43AM
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A terminology zoo is helpful when you want to encode additional information about political context, but if you're trying to draw parallels then less is more. In this case, "keep the status quo it might be important" and "ditch the status quo it might be the cause of our problems" are battle lines that get drawn again and again and again over many different issues under many different circumstances. It makes sense to draw the parallel.
Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about
by rootusrootus on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @10:40PM
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> I think the point of GP is that one can seek change, but seek it slowly and carefully.
This sounds like a position that a conservative would take, because it paints them as eminently reasonable (and progressives, by comparison, must be unreasonable).
Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about
by mensetmanusman on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @11:39PM
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Politics is simply preference, some people prefer to speed, some would rather drive below the limit.
They are both right for their own reasons, but they both appear insane to the other at first glance.
Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about
by monodeldiablo on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @02:51AM
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That characterization doesn't match my experience at all. You presume we all want to go in the same direction, but that our main disagreement is about speed.
In my experience, the main source of political conflict is direction, not speed.
Re:Plans you're not supposed to talk about
by mensetmanusman on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @08:21AM
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I should have said velocity to clarify that people aren’t trying to go to the same place, again due to the diversity of preference.
Whether this is actually what Conservatives believe (or rather, what percentage of them believe it) is debatable, but I could see this sentiment actually being widespread enough to be the main source of resistence to Progressive political movements.
After all, isn't the whole goal of Progressivism to create a society so good that one wants to Conserve it?