Industrial espionage is different from ignoring IP laws. I would be fine with China doing away with IP as a concept, but that’s not what their doing.

I don’t support the Chinese government due to their active genocide along with the horrific subjugation of the population, but it’s a judgement on a case by case basis.

The US invented the modern concept of intellectual property law. It didn't exist beforehand so its inaccurate and disingenuous to claim that they stole anything from anyone.

OK so they pulled up the drawbridge behind them once they were in a good position. Masterfully done...

> The USA stole tech from the British Empire when the US was trying to build itself up.

The US contributed as much new, prominent technology to the industrial revolution as any other nation. A quick trip down the list of prominent US inventions of the era nicely demonstrates that. There's no foundation to claim that the US stole more technology than Britain did going the other direction. It's a Reddit-knowledge bumper sticker claim that is almost exclusively utilized in threads like this one, and is never substantially supported in discussion (because it's exceptionally difficult to prove that US technology theft was meaningfully out of line with what eg major European economic powers were doing during the industrial revolution).

The fact is that the US industrial revolution began with an act of industrial espionage against the UK. That the US did end up contributing to the industrial revolution is neither here nor there, as it's also true that China is contributing meaningfully to the technological advancement of humanity now as well.

This is a standard case of one rising power coming up agains the incumbent. They'll do what they have to do to catch up, just as you did what you had to do ~150 years ago. Saying that, I hope China isn't ultimately successful due to their total disregard for human rights, but getting all bent out of shape over this trade secrets stuff is silly.

I'd love to read some case studies where Chinese courts uphold the IP rights of foreign companies.

In the first half of 2019, foreign companies won 68% of their cases in the Beijing IP court.[0] Foreign companies are much more often plaintiffs than defendants, though the balance is supposedly shifting (Chinese companies are becoming more assertive about their own IP rights).

An example: John Deere has won judgments against a bunch of Chinese companies that used similar names to it.[1]

0. https://www.ccpit-patent.com.cn/node/11255

1. https://www.kwm.com/en/cn/knowledge/insights/final-judgment-...

Thanks. I'd be curious to know about the context of the cases of foreign companies winning IP lawsuits in China.

How much media do you see around shitting on India for their IP stance?

A lot, especially in pharma. I expect if their economy was anywhere near China it would be even more.