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Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by pydry on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @05:42AM (#29550262)
It's a function of rents / income.

High rents -> Homelessness -> Debilitating mental illness -> drug use -> even worse mental illness.

Nowhere has rents quite as absurd as SF but what you describe has happened to me in London.

Reducing homelessness and ever rising property values are not compatible goals.

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Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by unsigner on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @06:35AM (#29550578)
Munich has outrageous rents and brutal housing scarcity, yet no visible homelessness.
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Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by pydry on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @06:42AM (#29550611)
https://www.goethe.de/ins/us/en/m/kul/wir/woh/21391992.html

It hasnt been going on as long and isnt nearly as bad in Munich as it is in SF but the same problem is there.

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Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by wolverine876 on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @11:35PM (#29562137)
> no visible homelessness

A key word is visible. Some places solve the problem by hiding the homeless, chasing them to poor neighborhoods or into shelters, etc. (It's the same solution suburbs and small towns use, in a way: Bus them to the city. Then they criticize cities for the homeless problem.)

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Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by TedDoesntTalk on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @08:21AM (#29551176)
Are you seriously saying that high rent leads to mental illness, or do I misunderstand?
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Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by nkrisc on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @08:36AM (#29551305)
Perhaps that homelessness and lack of a mental health support structure exacerbate existing mental illness that might otherwise be manageable.
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Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by pydry on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @01:52PM (#29555664)
Yes. Rent -> Homelessness -> Mental illness. Whats so hard to believe?
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Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by thatswrong0 on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @03:25PM (#29557075)
It could just as easily be Mental illness -> Homelessness
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Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by pydry on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @04:12PM (#29557846)
This is certainly the story told by people who own lots of property and media outlets.

It could be a coincidence that SF has an epidemic of mental issues and sky high rents.

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