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Re:Nextspace: a desktop environment that brings a NeXTSTEP l... by martinald on Monday December 13, 2021 @09:44PM (#29547582)
I actually thought nextstep looked really ugly even back in the day. I really dislike the icon styles for some reason with so much grey. Looks really dated (and I can remember thinking that when it was out!).
Re:Nextspace: a desktop environment that brings a NeXTSTEP l... by SeanLuke on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @12:13AM (#29548484)
> Looks really dated (and I can remember thinking that when it was out!).

NeXTSTEP (v0.8) was "out" in 1989. It looked like this:

http://toastytech.com/guis/ns08.html

Whereas Windows in 1989 looked like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_2.1x

And Mac OS looked like this:

https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/System_6.0.4

I think you might be misremembering.

Re:Nextspace: a desktop environment that brings a NeXTSTEP l... by martinald on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @11:49AM (#29553799)
I don't mean "out" as in first release date, I mean "out" as in it was currently being updated at the time. You're right on Win2.x and System6, but later versions of Win & Mac both looked better to me.
Re:Nextspace: a desktop environment that brings a NeXTSTEP l... by SeanLuke on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @01:29PM (#29555273)
Well, let's look at that.

The very last version of NeXTSTEP was 4.x, and was released in 1996 near the end of NeXT's life. It was basically identical in looks to 3.x. Here are some screenshots of 3.x:

https://winworldpc.com/screenshot/53c394c2-abc2-ab26-5111-c3... https://winworldpc.com/screenshot/53c394c2-abc2-ab26-5111-c3... https://winworldpc.com/screenshot/53c394c2-abc2-ab26-5111-c3...

Some shots of NeXTSTEP 4.2. https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/openstep42

Windows was of course presently on Windows 95. Interestingly, both Windows 95 and OS/2 had largely copied NeXTSTEP design elements, including its famous "3D" look and feel, but even little things, like the popup corner menu, practically identical close and minimize (er, maximize) icons, etc., but with a much worse graphics subsystem, and terrible fonts and icons compared to NeXT.

https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/win95

MacOS was not quite on version 8 yet but let's round it up. It too had copied design elements from NeXTSTEP, and likewise had a much cruder graphics subsystem with terrible fonts and icons in comparison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_8

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder of course. Windows and MacOS had caught up somewhat by then. But I think it's pretty incredible to seriously say that Windows or MacOS were ever better looking (or functioning) than NeXTSTEP, at least up until NeXT was bought by Apple and NeXTSTEP ceased to exist as a product. Heck, neither 95 nor MacOS 8 even had live window dragging, something NeXTSTEP had in 1989.

Re:Nextspace: a desktop environment that brings a NeXTSTEP l... by mattowen_uk on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @01:13AM (#29548781)
I have a theory that NeXTStep is so grey, is because high resolution monitors with sharp text were only really affordable in monochrome. So the theming originally leant into that.
Re:Nextspace: a desktop environment that brings a NeXTSTEP l... by mromanuk on Monday December 13, 2021 @09:52PM (#29547642)
Yes, when I started using Linux in ‘99, several desktop UIs imitated this style. And it looked dated and ugly to me, compared to Windows 95, KDE and Gnome.
Re:Nextspace: a desktop environment that brings a NeXTSTEP l... by danieldk on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @02:38AM (#29549235)
KDE in 1999:

https://czechia.kde.org/screenshots/images/medium/matthiase1...

GNOME in 1999:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/GNOME_1....

Of course, it's a matter of taste, but GNOME and KDE looked pretty bad back then. If I had the money, I'd definitely preferred NeXTSTEP. It's just so much cleaner and better thought-out. This is what it looked like in the early 90ies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTSTEP#/media/File:NeXTSTEP_...

BTW, this is what NeXTSTEP looked like in 2000 (Mac OS X public beta):

https://512pixels.net/projects/aqua-screenshot-library/mac-o...

I love NeXTSTEP, because it was awesome for its time, but I greatly prefer the latest macOS :).

Re:Nextspace: a desktop environment that brings a NeXTSTEP l... by daoismyname on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @04:14AM (#29549747)
> Of course, it's a matter of taste, but GNOME and KDE looked pretty bad back then. If I had the money, I'd definitely preferred NeXTSTEP

can confirm

That's the reason why I was using Window Maker back then

Re:Nextspace: a desktop environment that brings a NeXTSTEP l... by mromanuk on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @04:20PM (#29557976)
Yes, the Aqua treatment made it leap forward. I love that aged Gnome style :) Met too, I use MacOS and it's the best UI since 20 years ago.