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Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by namrog84 on Monday December 13, 2021 @06:57PM (#29546370)
> What would be so different in the USA as to create a different outcome?

For one the roads and sidewalks were designed quite a bit differently.

Most other countries are far more well designed for foot traffic, where many places in us are more well designed for vehicles.

Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by talideon on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @12:04AM (#29548441)
If you look at Europe in the '70s and '80s, it didn't look all that different from the US: just as car-centric, but just with fewer motorways running right through the centre of towns. The difference is that in much of Europe, people gradually started to wean themselves off of cars. These cities weren't "designed for foot traffic": people took actual steps to make them more pedestrian friendly after being very, very car-centric for a long time. The US and Canada can and should do the same.
Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by TedDoesntTalk on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @01:54AM (#29548982)
Many European cities have pedestrian-only central squares or plazas that are hundreds of years old.
Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by PedroBatista on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @04:57AM (#29550000)
A couple decades ago there were cars in most of those plazas.

Actual steps were taken to change that.

Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by talideon on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @07:20PM (#29573288)
You assume that there wasn't a period of several decades where many of those squares and plazas didn't have roads running though them, and needed to be reclaimed from cars, much as streets in general needed to be. That assumption would be wrong.
Re:What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining by znowcone on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @03:52AM (#29549626)
That's only a tiny part of a city.