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Re:Putty maintainer on his attitude towards security and ope... by hn_throwaway_99 on Sunday December 12, 2021 @12:24PM (#29531480)
I thought this was such a fantastic response, particularly the sections where he talks about how he responds to companies demanding he reply as if he has a contract with them.

The main point being that, with the log4j issue (and others before that), the thing that's struck me when maintainers complain about not being appreciated or that they are working as hard as they can, unpaid, is that maintainers are under no obligation to respond at all, and that you can't control how other people will react.

As someone who's dealt with anxiety for a long time (and as a former opensource primary maintainer), I can most definitely commiserate with feeling burdened by the expectations of others, but one of the best things I learned from therapy is that you can't control others emotions, you can only attempt to understand why you react as you do in certain situations.

Re:Putty maintainer on his attitude towards security and ope... by josephg on Sunday December 12, 2021 @04:21PM (#29533739)
You can’t control others emotions. But setting healthy expectations goes a long way.

One of my takeaways from the log4j issue is that the log4j devs should have never accepted the patches to add LDAP urls in the first place. Or perhaps, they should have removed that feature when it became burdensome. I would have. There’s a pressure to accept whatever patches come your way as an opensource developer, but actually, you’re under no obligation to do any such thing. Open source also means the source is available - so people are free to take your code, mix in their patches and maintain it themselves. And if they can’t be bothered doing that, why should I shoulder that burden?

I think us opensource devs should get more comfortable saying no. “I hear that this feature is important to you but it doesn’t solve a problem I (or anyone else I know) cares about. Please maintain those patches in your own fork.”

Re:Putty maintainer on his attitude towards security and ope... by xxpor on Sunday December 12, 2021 @04:44PM (#29533955)
They didn't add ldap support explicitly though, AFAICT. They added JNDI support, using a fairly small patch the guy who filed the request wrote for them. JNDI is a standard Java thing, so I'd guess they didn't think too deeply about all of the things it could do (not criticizing them, I'd probably have done the same thing).
Re:Putty maintainer on his attitude towards security and ope... by nradov on Sunday December 12, 2021 @04:30PM (#29533826)
Another alternative is to build a stable plug-in API rather than handling such requests in the core product. That way users with particular needs can code their own plug-ins rather than forking the entire code base. Now obviously open source maintainers have no obligation to do that, but purely from an engineering perspective it's an approach worth considering.
Re:Putty maintainer on his attitude towards security and ope... by pjc50 on Monday December 13, 2021 @03:46AM (#29537884)
You then hit the two problems that everyone with a plugin API hits:

- you can't rearchitecture your software beyond a certain amount without breaking the plugin API

- if a plugin crashes, people will blame the host, no matter how you attempt to deflect this

Re:Putty maintainer on his attitude towards security and ope... by GoblinSlayer on Monday December 13, 2021 @04:48AM (#29538189)
That's what log4net does, and presumably log4j has a plugin api too.
Re:Putty maintainer on his attitude towards security and ope... by raxxorrax on Monday December 13, 2021 @06:09AM (#29538549)
Reminds me of Signal and Apple M1 support issue. People expect you to accept the PR. As if that wouldn't mean more work for the maintainer in any case.
Re:Putty maintainer on his attitude towards security and ope... by ncmncm on Sunday December 12, 2021 @06:54PM (#29534966)
The best way to respond would be to pretend there was a contract, and that the company was in arrears on its payment obligations. "I cannot act on any changes until you remit past-due payments."

That sends them on a wild goose chase for their copy of the contract, because they cannot admit they don't have it. Eventually they run into the person who tells them there is no contract, there are no delinquent payments, and there is no excuse for pestering the author.

Re:Putty maintainer on his attitude towards security and ope... by Jiro on Monday December 13, 2021 @01:46AM (#29537360)
What's to prevent them from responding to this by asking for an invoice?

(Note: If your answer is "well, send them an invoice", the problem is that you'll probably have to contact a lawyer to make sure that the invoice is legal. You don't want to fraudulently imply a preexisting contract or run into some other legal gotcha that you wouldn't even know about.)

Re:Putty maintainer on his attitude towards security and ope... by ncmncm on Monday December 13, 2021 @04:38AM (#29538150)
You ignore that. The goal is to minimize your own time wasted.
Re:Putty maintainer on his attitude towards security and ope... by yourapostasy on Monday December 13, 2021 @02:31AM (#29537563)
> The best way to respond would be to pretend there was a contract, and that the company was in arrears on its payment obligations.

I favor a response along the lines of "that falls outside the scope of our current maintainer-user relationship, but I'd be happy to discuss a development and support contract that would cover that effort for $X USD".

Be perfectly forthright to cover your costs, including costs of attorney, tax preparer, bookkeeper, first line support (don't forget whether support is best effort or follow the sun, or something in-between), forex conversion rates, money transfer conversion rates, and so on. Do not cave to threats ("I'll tell everyone I know your software sucks", "I'll post everywhere you are a terrible coder!") or inducements ("I have a million YouTube subscribers, I'll plug you!", "I'll make sure you are credited in our awesome game credits scroll!"). Do be nice and professional.

Learn how to say in the nicest, most professional way, "Fuck you. Pay me." [1]

To give yourself a sense of scale, proven coders with a consistent track record of delivering when they say they will, to within an order of magnitude of original delivery (to account for a hobby open source project), for an established codebase that is relied upon by the user in production and would cost them >$300K USD in fully-burdened cost across five years to rip and replace, can justifiably charge $40K USD for an enhancement that takes them a week to code up (including documenting it on both developer and user end) and a week to validate with the client. And I'm sure there are others here who can whip up an IRR spreadsheet to tell me that's charging on the low-end.

Add another $12K to support just that feature for a year after passing validation and open-sourcing it right away. Charge something on the order of $100K per year to support if if they want to own the source patch instead of it open-sourcing but still want you to maintain it; maintaining separate forks doesn't come cheap to commercial customers, the code being open source means no different. Charge for taking back in the source patch later if they want to make it private, want to stop paying support after the first year, then change their minds later. Charge for delaying open-sourcing it. Charge for changes that will take you longer than 15 minutes (including every associated task like documenting and validating) to throw in, charge for more than four of those kinds of changes. Doing anything different than just developing and open-sourcing the new feature costs you time; estimate that time, pad it for mistakes, and quote a fee. Enterprise software generally won't even begin a discussion of a forked change private to a specific client, and conversations of a feature developed for a specific customer will only start at around $1M USD, feature made available when it is finished, and the vendor owns the code.

Don't shortchange yourselves if you really know how to code, code for a specific problem domain and communicate with users in that domain in their lingo, gather requirements, set validation criteria, support technical customers, and can put up with the hassles of running a side business. You lose nothing by "firing" these customers who demand freebies with no compensation, except the Asshole Aggravation Factor in your life. Your IRL is filled to the brim with assholes. There is no need to let your open source hobby get filled with it, too.

I feel the Open Source community would be well-served by a standard boilerplate that comes right alongside the source license for charging fees for services, to set expectations that any participation by maintainers is a precious, unexpected gift at their sole discretion and whimsy. All other interaction first paid by cash.

[1] For those unfamiliar with US/Western pop culture, see https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuck%20you%2...