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Re:Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues by Ansil849 on Sunday December 12, 2021 @12:53AM (#29527488)
> Nothing in the article (and I could have missed it) proved evidence, from digs, against the idea of infanticide by the Spartans.

Isn't the onus on the ones claiming that Spartans practiced systemic infanticide to provide the evidence that they did so?

Re:Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues by pyuser583 on Sunday December 12, 2021 @01:01PM (#29531866)
There’s already evidence for it. There are contemporary accounts describing the practice.

These accounts aren’t perfect. Not necessarily first hand eye witnesses, but not rumor mongers either.

So anyone arguing that this didn’t happen needs to address an established consensus.

Lots of more recent research is attacking traditional ideas about the Spartans, so this is a welcome argument.

But saying “it’s on them to prove their point” isn’t really helpful.

Re:Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues by gpm on Sunday December 12, 2021 @09:49AM (#29530051)
The onus is on the people making claims in general. In this case someone (the journalist?) made a claim that "spartans didn't kill `weak' babies", so the onus is on them.
Re:Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues by arkades on Sunday December 12, 2021 @11:59AM (#29531216)
No, if the evidence for the area points to X, the folks claiming a deviation from the general evidenced trend need to provide evidence for that.
Re:Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues by pyuser583 on Sunday December 12, 2021 @01:05PM (#29531908)
This paper isn’t making an argument. It’s summarizing specialized research.

A specialist in the area could just say “appeal to authority” and they’d be right. The actual peer reviewed articles and books would require evidence.

But those articles and books wouldn’t be accessible to the average reader.

So the journalist is summarizing those arguments, but in the process reducing them to an appeal to authority - which is completely fine.

Re:Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues by Brakenshire on Sunday December 12, 2021 @09:10AM (#29529745)
We don’t really know anything about Sparta which wasn’t written by outside observers.
Re:Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues by xwolfi on Sunday December 12, 2021 @07:58AM (#29529243)
Where did the claim come from originally ? Could google but...
Re:Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues by watwut on Sunday December 12, 2021 @03:50AM (#29528096)
Either way, Sparta is not Athens. They were different political and cultural systems.
Re:Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues by CoastalCoder on Sunday December 12, 2021 @02:12AM (#29527741)
I'm not sure the concept of "onus" really applies here.

Each reader can decide for himself how much evidence he needs to be persuaded.

Re:Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues by Ansil849 on Sunday December 12, 2021 @02:27AM (#29527784)
The "concept of 'onus'" applies to the writer or whoever is making a claim, not to the reader.
Re:Ancient Spartans didn’t kill ‘weak’ babies, new study argues by everybodyknows on Sunday December 12, 2021 @09:44AM (#29530019)
The preceding post did not claim otherwise.