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Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by pydry on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:41PM (#29514546)
If I was going to write some propaganda to try and whitewash the staggering amount of wealth and power is held by American oligarchs this is what I would do:

1) Write an article about income inequality. Wealth inequality is 100x worse than income inequality - http://metrocosm.com/wealth-vs-income-inequality/ but if you just smoothly transition from talking about economic inequality to income inequality, not only is it not as bad, the reader becomes a much bigger part of it and hence you become less of a part of it.

2) Ignore PPP entirely. If a Slovakian gets paid 5x less than you do in New York and also has 5x cheaper haircuts, you should probably feel a bit guilty about that.

3) Focus on personal responsibility. This is an effective technique. It was used to turn jaywalking into a crime in the early 20th century. It was used to make the litter epidemic of the mid 20th century Not McDonalds Or Coke's Fault. It was used to shift responsibility from Oil supermajor CEOs on to suburban white middle class soccer moms and voila - reduced pressure.

Just remember, as the article says: "If you want to reduce global inequality and support poorer people, you do have this opportunity. You can donate some of your money."

Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by ahelwer on Friday December 10, 2021 @04:03PM (#29515426)
I've been thinking - continually I hear the way to help with a problem is to donate money to a charity. But is there a single social ill that has actually been solved (not ameliorated - permanently solved) through a bunch of individuals donating money to a charity to solve it? Is there any track record of success whatsoever?
Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by refurb on Friday December 10, 2021 @09:38PM (#29517916)
Sure. Cystic Fibrosis Foundation funded research that resulted in a near-cure for CF patients with particular mutations.

https://www.cff.org/node/871

”More than 20 years ago, the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation took the pioneering step of providing research funding to Aurora Biosciences (now Vertex Pharmaceuticals, Inc.) to identify and develop the first treatments for the underlying cause of CF. Driven by the relentless determination of the CF community, those investments led to the development of multiple transformative therapies to treat CF.”

Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by plekter on Saturday December 11, 2021 @04:52AM (#29519768)
That particular drug was on the news in Norway this week because it is so incredibly expensive that the state don't want to pay for it. We are talking 20-30k USD per month per patient.

I partially excused that mentally with a "but yeah, research is expensive", but now learning that it was paid for by donations ruins that argument.

The fact that the state don't want to pay for it is of course also debatable..

Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by refurb on Saturday December 11, 2021 @05:28AM (#29519901)
These CF drugs fundamentally fix one genetic defect that causes CF. Instead of kids dying of lung infections and needing transplants when they are 30, they lead almost normal loves. Seems like the kind of drugs that should cost a lot?

And the CF Foundation has (had) an ownership stake in the IP for the drug and sold it for $3.5B.

And guess what that money is going towards? More research and help for CF patients! They gave $575M to Vertex for next generation CF drugs.

https://endpts.com/royalty-pharma-tops-its-record-setting-3-...

Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by plekter on Saturday December 11, 2021 @02:04PM (#29523334)
I totally agree that the existence of these drugs make the world a better place. I also totally agree that there should be significant financial upside to developing drugs like these, after all we do want to incentivise making the world a better place. But surely there must be a middle ground? This seems to be priced by a "what are people willing to pay for this?"(a lot, given its life saving/changing nature) vs "what do we need to charge for this, including a healthy profit for everyone involved". (much less, presumably?) I fundamentally dislike, from the perspective of the patient, the thought that precisely /because/ the drug is desperately needed by someone through no fault of their own, it /deserves/ to be expensive.

The foundation getting a cut of the success and reinvesting in new opportunities sounds good though, thanks for pointing that out!

Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by mdorazio on Friday December 10, 2021 @04:20PM (#29515571)
This is a good question, but it's also kind of tricky because many (maybe most) social charities aren't really setup to tackle issues that can be solved without continuing money input. Let's take education in poor countries as an example - unless everyone stops having children or the underlying socioeconomic fabric changes significantly, you're going to have an effectively infinite number of children that need to be educated, and the only way to do that is to continue paying for facilities, teachers, materials, etc.

Other charities, like those that are setup to cure specific illnesses, can accomplish their mission on reasonable timeframes.

Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by commandlinefan on Friday December 10, 2021 @05:32PM (#29516251)
> a single social ill that has actually been solved ... through a bunch of individuals donating money to a charity

If not, then one of two things are true:

1) Money can't solve social ills

2) Not enough people who have the means to do so are willing to voluntarily sacrifice to solve a social ill

Either way, that suggests that taxation/wealth redistribution solutions is similarly doomed (unless you're willing to do it by force).

Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by shashwat_udit on Friday December 10, 2021 @04:09PM (#29515479)
Yes. The March of Dimes fundraising campaign provided the funding to Salk and Sabin to create the polio vaccine.
Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by s1artibartfast on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:57PM (#29514747)
Why ignore ppp? Why feel bad if two lives are equal in all respects? Non PPP only matters if someone moves countries.
Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by bee_rider on Friday December 10, 2021 @03:30PM (#29515107)
They are describing what they'd do to write a paper to "whitewash the staggering amount of wealth and power is held by American oligarchs," so, a list of things that should appear plausible to the reader, but which are fundamentally misleading. Ignoring PPP is a great way to get numerical differences without QOL differences, as you point out.

I haven't gotten to the article yet, but I'm pretty sure this is intended as a criticism or the article.

Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by s1artibartfast on Friday December 10, 2021 @04:07PM (#29515460)
But ignoring PPP does the opposite of whitewash the accumulated wealth. Ignoring PPP makes the disparity greater, not less
Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by bee_rider on Friday December 10, 2021 @04:46PM (#29515831)
Increasing the disparity between countries reinforces the argument "conditions in your country are so great, stop talking about your internal income inequality" which is, I think, what the original comment was implying to be the point here.

Looking at the article, it uses the term "international dollars" instead of "PPP adjusted dollars," so I think the original comment just missed that the dollars are actually adjusted.

It makes sense if you read the original comment as a criticism of the article ("whitewash the staggering amount of wealth and power is held by American oligarchs" is, I think, pretty clearly a bad thing to do) which just missed that the dollars in the article were adjusted.

Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by s1artibartfast on Friday December 10, 2021 @05:14PM (#29516089)
yeah, it sounds like we interpreted "whitewash the staggering amount of wealth and power is held by American oligarchs" in different ways.

I took it as minimizing the disparity between rich and poor countries.

I don't know how to reconcile your interpretation with the idea that someone should feel guilty for having a higher dollar income but the same PPP income as someone else.

Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by notahacker on Friday December 10, 2021 @03:02PM (#29514799)
The dataset doesn't ignore PPP, it's expressed in "international dollars" which is a standard PPP adjustment to US levels.

That's not really discussed because it's an utterly standard thing to do in cross-country comparisons, but the article might have been better if it talked about the fact the data is PPP adjusted so the actual dollar amounts earned in the poorer countries are even lower, and the fact that PPP adjustments aren't perfect so people on $6.70 of imputed US purchasing power can still pay rent

Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by s1artibartfast on Friday December 10, 2021 @03:59PM (#29515389)
The parent post argued that the article would have been more impactful if it ignored PPP. It also said people should feel guilty if they have the same PPP, but higher salary without adjusting. This makes no sense to me.

This is the point I am pushing back on.

Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by commandlinefan on Friday December 10, 2021 @05:34PM (#29516277)
What does PPP stand for in this context? I was confused by his example, too - it seems like he's suggesting that if somebody is paid less but has a proportionally smaller cost of living, I should still feel bad about that? Am I being insensitive for not? I feel sorry for people who are living in squalor, not people who have similar lives to my own.
Re:Global economic inequality: what matters most is where yo... by s1artibartfast on Friday December 10, 2021 @05:52PM (#29516468)
PPP = Purchasing Power Parity. It is exactly as you described. We have the same purchasing power if in my city I make $10/day and a beer costs me $10, while in your city, you make $5/day and a beer costs $5.