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Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by yesbut on Friday December 10, 2021 @08:16AM (#29509464)
Assange is more of an editor / publisher. This is akin to the Washington Post publishing the Pentagon Papers.

As a reminder, this is why the US wants to punish Assange:

> Wikileaks reveals video showing US air crew shooting down Iraqi civilians > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-a...

Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by bladegash on Friday December 10, 2021 @08:23AM (#29509514)
If you think that is the information that he is being punished for is that video, you clearly did not look at what he leaked closely enough.

Likewise, if you think leaking the pentagon papers is the same as leaking all diplomatic cables and operational communications from a period of time is the same thing, not sure I can say much to change your opinion.

Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by pydry on Friday December 10, 2021 @09:14AM (#29510052)
>If you think that is the information that he is being punished for is that video, you clearly did not look at what he leaked closely enough.

If you think it wasn't about that you clearly didn't follow the lawsuit.

Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by CRConrad on Saturday December 11, 2021 @10:10PM (#29526785)
> If you think it wasn't about that you clearly didn't follow the lawsuit.

What something is ostensibly about -- like for instance, what's spelled out in a lawsuit -- is not necessarily what it's actually about.

Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by pessimizer on Friday December 10, 2021 @11:43AM (#29511942)
> Likewise, if you think leaking the pentagon papers is the same as leaking all diplomatic cables and operational communications from a period of time is the same thing, not sure I can say much to change your opinion.

It would be very difficult, because you believe that journalists enabling the distribution of secret government documents means they're not journalists, they're activists. That equally condemns the Pentagon Papers and Wikileaks. You agree with their opinion, which is why you can't say much to change it.

edit:

Daniel Ellsberg: “Whatever Julian Assange is guilty of, I’m guilty of.”

https://www.exberliner.com/features/julian-assange-trial-202...

Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by yesbut on Friday December 10, 2021 @08:48PM (#29517632)
Many corporations publish "leaked" documents because they want to make a profit and they realize that it appears to a certain demographic. They aren't doing any activism. They are just trying to make a buck.
Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by yesbut on Friday December 10, 2021 @08:25AM (#29509528)
These espionage charges aren't about "Hillary's emails".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/28/indictment...

Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by bladegash on Friday December 10, 2021 @08:31AM (#29509590)
I am not talking about Hillary's emails. He leaked diplomatic cables.

[1] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wikileaks-releases-classifie...

Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by tchalla on Friday December 10, 2021 @09:29AM (#29510221)
Very interesting. The actual war crimes are brushed aside but the person who revealed those war crimes are punished. I wonder how this would have played out if China or Russia did it.
Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by yesbut on Friday December 10, 2021 @08:33AM (#29509611)
He leaked war crimes.
Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by bladegash on Friday December 10, 2021 @08:41AM (#29509683)
He leaked war crimes AND he leaked the information I mentioned.
Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by yesbut on Friday December 10, 2021 @08:50AM (#29509793)
He shouldn't be in prison and we should have a public holiday in his honor for informing the American public about the war crimes our government commits in our name and with our tax dollars.
Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by jessaustin on Friday December 10, 2021 @08:50AM (#29509791)
So what? A private citizen has no obligation to secrecy.
Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by gampleman on Friday December 10, 2021 @09:05AM (#29509940)
Let alone a citizen of a different country...
Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by deelowe on Friday December 10, 2021 @10:16AM (#29510836)
I'm guessing that's about to be tested in court.

The overarching question is at what point does a private citizen/activist become culpable. Developing technologies and social networks (old school kind, not facebook) which are explicitly designed to enable the stealing/leaking of state secrets would seem to be skirting pretty close to the line of "I'm just a private citizen/journalist." This is doubly true if said leaks end up putting military personnel and government assets in harms way.

Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by jessaustin on Friday December 10, 2021 @11:49AM (#29512037)
This is doubly true if said leaks end up putting military personnel and government assets in harms way.

We don't need to consider that possibility. It has been over a decade since this information was released. If anyone about whom USA government cares had ever suffered any harm (even if they actually deserved it) as a result, the USA war media would have crowed about it until we had all memorized all details. Not even a rumor exists of anything like that, so we know it didn't happen.

Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by TomSwirly on Friday December 10, 2021 @09:17AM (#29510093)
Which revealed war crimes.
Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by darkerside on Friday December 10, 2021 @08:37AM (#29509655)
Editors/publishers exercise judgement and take responsibility for what they put out into the world. AFAICT, Assange's best argument for his innocence is that he bears no responsibility because... he neither took nor accepts any responsibility.
Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by yesbut on Friday December 10, 2021 @08:40AM (#29509669)
I'm pretty sure it is everyone's responsibility to inform the world about war crimes when that information is brought to our attention.
Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by darkerside on Friday December 10, 2021 @10:49AM (#29511271)
Everyone is responsible for everything that is unacceptable, but it doesn't really help to try to enforce that.

Scoping to a reasonable level, publishers' primary job is to review and filter information for quality, safety, and fitness for mass consumption. Assange and WikiLeaks explicitly do not do that. At best, they are a distributor.

Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by yesbut on Friday December 10, 2021 @08:50PM (#29517644)
I've never heard of any law that requires a publisher to review / filter information for public consumption. The only responsibility that a publisher at a capitalist media outlet has is to make sure their publications bring in a profit. That is their only "obligation".
Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by dragonwriter on Friday December 10, 2021 @09:03PM (#29517722)
> I've never heard of any law that requires a publisher to review / filter information for public consumption

The law generally views the publisher as responsible for unlawful (defamatory, copyright infringing, etc.) content without evidence of specific knowledge, whereas distributors are generally liable only when they have specific knowledge of the facts that make the content unlawful. This, in effect, makes publishers responsible for reviewing/filtering content, because if they fail to do so, they will be held responsible.

That's the whole source of significanxe of, e.g., the section 230 protection against hosts or other users of online services meeting certain descriptions being treated as the publisher of other-user submitted content.

Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by yesbut on Friday December 10, 2021 @10:42PM (#29518204)
TIL: facts about the US empire's criminality are defamatory.
Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by jasonlotito on Friday December 10, 2021 @09:48AM (#29510461)
Wikileaks, which Assange leads, is more than just an editor and/or publisher.

WikiLeaks helped arrange Snowden’s escape to Russia from Hong Kong. A WikiLeaks editor also accompanied Snowden to Russia, staying with him during his 39-day enforced stay at a Moscow airport and living with him for three months after Russia granted Snowden asylum.

As a reminder, the post you show isn't when the aggression against Wikileaks escalated. You reminder is not true.

Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by hota_mazi on Friday December 10, 2021 @12:14PM (#29512452)
This can definitely be one reason but I find your cherry picking very disingenuous.

His disclosures have shown a consistent bias to damage the Democrats, support the Republicans, Trump, and the Putin regime. He also endangered the lives of multiple assets by revealing their names and locations.

It's a lot more nuanced than you portray it.

Re:Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules by yesbut on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:37PM (#29513692)
This is completely untrue. He used to be loved by the Democrats when he was exposing Bush's war crimes. The claim that he was working with Russia to help Trump came from the Hillary campaign.