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Re:More than half of high-impact cancer lab studies could no... by ramraj07 on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:23PM (#29506365)
What lab animal telomere issue? Never heard of that in my decade of working in a lab.
Re:More than half of high-impact cancer lab studies could no... by robbedpeter on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:46PM (#29506495)
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2009/illustrated-...

2009 Nobel prize given for this work.

Lab animals, due to the way they are bred, are essentially susceptible to cancer and health issues not seen in normal wildtype populations. Shortened telomeres are the primary danger, increasing mutation rate and cell senescence.

Essentially, all data involving the expectation of normal cellular behavior is subject to question - signaling from lab animals is corrupted.

Re:More than half of high-impact cancer lab studies could no... by AceJohnny2 on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:52PM (#29506532)
The Nobel prize is about discovery of the telomeres, not about anything about lab populations.
Re:More than half of high-impact cancer lab studies could no... by pazimzadeh on Friday December 10, 2021 @12:05AM (#29506607)
Do you have a source because as I understand it the length of the telomeres is reset each generation and so generally not transmissible to the next generation.

Apparently leukocyte telomere length is heritable though, is that what you are talking about?

Re:More than half of high-impact cancer lab studies could no... by robbedpeter on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:30AM (#29507015)
Re:More than half of high-impact cancer lab studies could no... by ramraj07 on Friday December 10, 2021 @08:16AM (#29509465)
What exactly are you interpreting out of this paper now ? How does this invalidate cancer studies in mice?

Most cancer studies in mice are xenografts of human cancer cells so any relevance of mice telomeres is completely lost anyway.

Also this obsession with telomeres being the fundamental key for all our biological problems seems so conspiratorial. Like you think our cells which do unimaginable things can't keep their DNA ends frothy? Like that's what is gonna spell their doom? Or you consider telomeres are just a symptom of a cells longevity decided by other factors ?

Re:More than half of high-impact cancer lab studies could no... by dekhn on Sunday December 12, 2021 @10:45AM (#29530490)
you're just confused.

lab rats and mice aren't useful model organisms, but it's not for this reason.

Re:More than half of high-impact cancer lab studies could no... by Semaphor on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:37PM (#29506442)
This seems relevant both for the links and the rebuttal (?): https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/90609/why-might-...
Re:More than half of high-impact cancer lab studies could no... by alextheparrot on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:37PM (#29506448)
Probably regurgitating it from the Weinstein stuff.

https://uncancelclub.com/bret-weinstein-1/

Re:More than half of high-impact cancer lab studies could no... by ashwal on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:38PM (#29506460)
They're probably referring to: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11909679/

I think this is one symptom of a much greater issue: the inbred mice strains we use are disastrously weird (arising from the initial population artificially bred to make research easier). For the sake of controlling for genetics, we've chosen to make lab research translation drastically less effective.

Re:More than half of high-impact cancer lab studies could no... by KenoFischer on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:40PM (#29506470)
Re:More than half of high-impact cancer lab studies could no... by hall0ween on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:33PM (#29506423)
Also curious to know.