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Re:Apple Open Source by PaulDavisThe1st on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:52AM (#29499729)
There's a big difference between wanting personal access to the source code and wanting to know that the source code is available should the need or desire ever arise.

I've been developing FLOSS for several decades now, but I rarely compile stuff from source anymore (except my own projects). However, the availability of the source code for the tools I use is very important to me, even if I never exercise it myself.

In addition, general access to the source code is important as a learning tool for programmers, if only "to see how it's done". You may never build such code, but being able to take a look at it can be an important foundation in the continuing education of software developers.

Re:Apple Open Source by samhw on Thursday December 09, 2021 @02:12PM (#29501584)
Like I said to the other commenter, the source code for the software being discussed already is available - by definition - and much more easily than if you had to go searching through /usr/lib. It's an absolutely moot point[0] whether Apple bundles the source code for Bash into their operating systems, for 99.99999% of intents and purposes and users.

We're not discussing whether the source code for XNU/Darwin/Mach/MacOS itself ought to be open, which is another question entirely. (Obviously everyone would sooner it be open than not open, in a first-order analysis, but, as with medical patents and the like, a proper analysis would have to ask whether it would even have existed if its source code were to be open.)

[0] Or rather a non-moot point, for the pedants.

Re:Apple Open Source by PaulDavisThe1st on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:03PM (#29502894)
>[ ... ] as with medical patents and the like, a proper analysis would have to ask whether it would even have existed if its source code were to be open.

The overwhelming majority of XNU/Mach was created as open source. It is quite unlikely that macOS would exist today if those components had not been created under an open source license.

Re:Apple Open Source by PaulDavisThe1st on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:04PM (#29502905)
> Like I said to the other commenter, the source code for the software being discussed already is available

I was replying to this remark:

> Most users – hell, most developers – do not give a toss about having the source code for software that's shipped with MacOS.