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Re:Evergrande has defaulted on its debt, Fitch Ratings says by wongarsu on Thursday December 09, 2021 @09:25AM (#29497655)
Houses built in the 1700s (and still standing) are for the largest part built for heavy shingle roofs, adding solar cells isn't a huge issue. Insulation is a matter of adding foam plates to the exterior (or interior if you want to show off your original facade) with some thought for steam barriers, and upgrading your windows. It won't get as good as a newly built low-energy house, but you can get quite far.

And if you are confident that the house will still stand in 60 years, then an investment in solar+insulation that takes 20 years to pay for itself is quite attractive (and something your local bank will probably give you a loan for).

Re:Evergrande has defaulted on its debt, Fitch Ratings says by BossingAround on Thursday December 09, 2021 @09:54AM (#29497971)
Insulating a house built in 1700s is definitely not a matter of "put foam plates on the outside/inside". If you do that, you are likely to create molds inside of the building. Insulating old buildings is typically a specialized and highly delicate work that tends to be quite expensive. I live in a building from the 1900s and the insulation process would be fairly difficult.
Re:Evergrande has defaulted on its debt, Fitch Ratings says by polycaster on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:28AM (#29499379)
In the area I live in (mid-size city in SE Germany) many buildings are from the early 1900s/late 1800s. Insulating those is pretty much a common and economic thing to do.

- At a rough estimate such a building costs 600.000 € - 1.000.000 € nowadays.

- Costs for insulating the exterior walls, the roof and ground floor against the basement is approx. 30.000 - 60.000 €.

- New, insulated windows: approx. 10.000 – 30.000 €.

You'pre good then on energy saving.

And yes, they usually just put plates of foam on the outside. Somehow the mold issue appears to be solved by now as a house-painter told me recently.

Re:Evergrande has defaulted on its debt, Fitch Ratings says by BossingAround on Thursday December 09, 2021 @01:25PM (#29501029)
> Somehow the mold issue appears to be solved by now as a house-painter told me recently.

I'm not persuaded that the issue of mold simply disappeared. It might be the type of foam they use nowadays, or the way they insulate the houses. For example, I've seen houses insulated from the front and not from the back. At first, I thought it was a cost cutting measure, i.e. "look good, be cheap," but it's actually so common that I don't think that's the answer.

Molds can become toxic in extreme cases, and once they appear, it's amazingly difficult to get rid of them. It's possible that in a town that's highly historic, there are companies that specialize in insulating historical buildings (though I assumed that the vast majority of historical buildings in Germany was destroyed during the wars).

As a side note, I'm not saying it cannot be done. My point was that it was far from "slap some foam around the house". I'd love my building to be insulated.