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Re:Do you ever avoid submitting something on HN so devs won'... by ClumsyPilot on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:15PM (#29487451)
Nobody cares about 'the company' - "In US the average share holding lasts just 22 seconds"

Management can break the law, leave with their bonuses, and years down the line 'the company' gets fined.

Employees are the ones that might be there for decades, but the anglosphere shareholder model allocated 0% stake to employees.

TThere are alternatives:

Codetermination in Germany is a concept that involves the right of workers to participate in management of the companies they work for.

Re:Do you ever avoid submitting something on HN so devs won'... by gleenn on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @02:38PM (#29489374)
The average is probably horribly misrepresented. There are a ton of super long holders, which hold for decades, and a crazy high number of HFTs running that hold for microseconds. I bet nobody is actually close to the average, 22 seconds is extremely slow for software trading and extremely fast for a human. If you're using the holding duration as a proxy for people caring about companies, I think you are probably including a massive amount of HFT timing which it's clear isn't representing company loyalty. Also, what if an HFT buys and sells the same stock 1M times. The average time would likely be very short, but the "loyalty" could be 100%. Bad metric.
Re:Do you ever avoid submitting something on HN so devs won'... by ClumsyPilot on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @03:52PM (#29490329)
Very, very few people hold stocks for multiple years, so they have no reason to care about the company's long term future:

"There are different ways of slicing it, but Reuters calculations based on New York stock exchange data show the average holding period for U.S. shares was 5-1/2 months in June, versus 8-1/2 months at end-2019."

Re:Do you ever avoid submitting something on HN so devs won'... by Sohcahtoa82 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:39PM (#29488591)
> Codetermination in Germany

For some reason, at first, I read this as "Code termination" (not co-determination) and thought it was a mistranslation of some German compound noun, and I was confused.

Re:Do you ever avoid submitting something on HN so devs won'... by visarga on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @02:06PM (#29488933)
TTS on Mac also reads it as "code termination"