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Re:Hetzner now provides IPv6 only dedicated servers by cycomanic on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @01:26PM (#29476245)
I encourage you to read up on the J.E. Hoover and J. McCarthy on how much the US First Amendment is worth. Or maybe try running a pro ISIS webserver in the US, see how quickly you have the FBI knocking on your door. Let's not even talk about DCMA takedowns etc..

The US ranks lower than Germany in the FH and RWB freedom of the press indices [1], which while not quite the same is highly related to freedom of speech.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_country

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Re:Hetzner now provides IPv6 only dedicated servers by sneak on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @02:49PM (#29477342)
> Or maybe try running a pro ISIS webserver in the US

Bad counterexample? CloudFlare did just that, triggering a strangely pro-censorship round of hacktivism in the form of #OpISIS.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/19/cloudflar...

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Re:Hetzner now provides IPv6 only dedicated servers by cycomanic on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:07PM (#29478228)
That's not really running the website though is it? It seems like they run DDOS protection for them which is not really the same.
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Re:Hetzner now provides IPv6 only dedicated servers by throw10920 on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @02:33PM (#29477158)
The First Amendment is stronger than any equivalent rule in any other modern country that I'm aware of. The fact that it's been undermined repeatedly, both in the past and the present (due to the recent wave of authoritarianism that has been sweeping US politics, which can be seen clearly on HN itself), doesn't have any bearing on its relative ranking - so, it can suck (or just be a little suboptimal), but still be better than everything else.

Moreover, how is DMCA relevant? Copyrighted works are outside the bounds of free speech.

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Re:Hetzner now provides IPv6 only dedicated servers by t0mas88 on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:20PM (#29477674)
Wait, what? How does the fact that it's undermined not have an impact on how useful a US right is to me?

DMCA, and in general the US legal system are extremely relevant to me as a user. If I have a theoretical right to free speech, but in practice any big US media company could kill it then I'm much better off in another country where maybe the theoretical right is 10% less but I can actually practically enjoy that right.

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Re:Hetzner now provides IPv6 only dedicated servers by _dain_ on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:33PM (#29477843)
Those rankings just encode the political outlook of a certain leftist NGO.

In the USA, Neonazi publications are allowed, while in Germany they are illegal. Therefore, the US has a freer press than Germany. Freedom House would disagree, and they are simply wrong.

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