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Re:Even with Agile and Scrum waterfall will sneak in by theshrike79 on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:55AM (#29458633)
If it helps you can think of it like this: Scrum is just Waterfall, but with faster cycles.

Traditional Waterfall(tm) is when you spend a year in analysis, a year in specifications, a year in requirement, a year in design...

And then you put out a piece of software that's already outdated and doesn't do what the customer wanted or needed. But the company got paid anyway, so off to the next project.

With Scrum you go through the whole waterfall loop every 2-4 weeks and the customer and the team have a chance to amend any of the phases after every iteration.

This way there's less of a chance the product is completely outdated and unnecessary after the whole project (comprising of multiple waterfall loops) is done.

Re:Even with Agile and Scrum waterfall will sneak in by zoomablemind on Monday December 06, 2021 @07:28AM (#29458891)
>...And then you put out a piece of software that's already outdated and doesn't do what the customer wanted or needed.

Or software that was built on outdated foundations, like frameworks and providers which may have been "in-vogue" at the product conception, but deflated or advanced into maintenance-only stage by the product release.

Let's not forget that the competition is not sleeping meanwhile, so Waterfall is equally capable of pushing out half-cooked products just to be ahead or to meet obligations/expectations.

Re:Even with Agile and Scrum waterfall will sneak in by theshrike79 on Monday December 06, 2021 @07:57AM (#29459146)
Exactly. I've seen this in military contracts where the rules are REALLY strict (and ancient).

Everyone on the project knows at one point that the resulting product will be outdated and useless, but neither side can call it quits. The one making the product needs to finish or they won't get paid, the one ordering said product can't cancel the project or they'll get sanctions according to the contract.

So they just go through the motions and produce something that'll never get used and is put straight into the bin.

Re:Even with Agile and Scrum waterfall will sneak in by randomdata on Monday December 06, 2021 @10:14AM (#29460653)
On paper. In reality, Scrum is waterfall with a daily standup for management to keep track of progress.