Re:Even with Agile and Scrum waterfall will sneak in
by boffinAudio on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:38AM
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Yes, developers and managers have to be involved in the full workflow. Why is this so hard?
Re:Even with Agile and Scrum waterfall will sneak in
by lbriner on Monday December 06, 2021 @07:07AM
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It is hard because more people means more opinions.
* Involving the developers in everything that the product team does as well as all of their own work is too inefficient. * Involving the wrong developer means you might not ask the right questions up-front. * Some developers are too negative and block things early on * Some developers are too positive and will say yes to everything even if it is unreasonable * There is not always a clear authority between product owners and developers * A lot of decisions are based on company priorities that might need someone outside of the product/development team to argue for
Re:Even with Agile and Scrum waterfall will sneak in
by boffinAudio on Monday December 06, 2021 @07:24AM
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> more people means more opinions.
I'm sure 'manager people' have their own processes for this problem.
IME this is the main problem, the "Developer" must be heavily involved from step 1 (and work in a close feedback loop with QA). Everything else follows automatically in ever smaller iteration steps. Software development is first and foremost experimental research work, not a factory line.
E.g. if a specific software development task feels like boring/repeating factory work, it should have been automated already.