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Re:Even with Agile and Scrum waterfall will sneak in by Scarblac on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:27AM (#29458407)
> There is a natural process that every issue goes through: Analysis, Specifications, Requirement, Design .. then the Developer takes in the materials of each of these steps, does an Implementation and Testing phase .. then the issue has to be validated/verified with a Qualification step, and then it gets released to the end user/product owner, who sign off on it.

I've never worked at a place where all these things actually happened. Everything was responsibility of the developer, who would complain about the absurdity of that.

Then management eventually introduced Scrum, as a way to excuse their behaviour. "We don't need an analyst, we use Scrum now."

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Re:Even with Agile and Scrum waterfall will sneak in by boffinAudio on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:40AM (#29458512)
Developers who fail to take responsibility for the full workflow, fail.

Its not "Agiles" fault, although this is often used to justify the failure.

Developers have got to realize that they are responsible for the full workflow from beginning to end, and only poor/low-quality developers will work to change that natural law - with negative effect.

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Re:Even with Agile and Scrum waterfall will sneak in by Scarblac on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:47AM (#29458573)
Imo analysis needs domain knowledge, the developer can do it on their own but it won't be as good as when a domain expert does. A developer doing their own QA will have the same blind spots as during development. And of course, if he was also doing the analysis, he'll have the same blind spots as during analysis.
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Re:Even with Agile and Scrum waterfall will sneak in by boffinAudio on Monday December 06, 2021 @07:14AM (#29458776)
Yes, waterfall is a team activity, as all software is necessarily a social service. Developers that fail to understand this - or indeed, resist it as part of their cultural identity - usually get taught this lesson hard in the form of failed projects.
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Re:Even with Agile and Scrum waterfall will sneak in by pjc50 on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:54AM (#29458627)
> Developers have got to realize that they are responsible for the full workflow from beginning to end

That is not what the org chart says.

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