Edge cases don't make much of an argument.

They tend to be edge case for HN users. That is, male, educated, well off/affluent and living in a first world country. All the benefits of cryptocurrency are already available in their privileged position and they cannot understand that others do not have the same options/access to financial instruments.

One trip to Argentina is all it takes for someone to get crypto.

Thanks for the details. I guess we'll have to go to Argentina to learn more.

So it's not an edge case for female, uneducated, poor people from third world countries?

I guess this is the "you won't get it" defense. Maybe the real problem is that we do get it.

>>>So it's not an edge case for female, uneducated, poor people from third world countries?

When a Philippine friend of mine lacked capital to purchase inventory for her business at the start of lockdowns last year, I sent her some Bitcoin. She didn't fully understand how crypto worked but I talked her through the basics (wallets, etc...) She converted the BTC to pesos locally, and paid me back in Bitcoin, with interest. She got the capital injection she couldn't find elsewhere, and I added to my BTC pile (at a time when BTC was just under $10k, as I knew it would go up again).

Disingenuous much?

That's called a strawman argument, I never made the claim yet you are making a statement as if I had said that.

Either you understand my point and are being deliberately obtuse or you need to re-read my comment and go away and think about it. Either way you are not adding any value to the conversation. So please don't respond to me again.

I'm helping you reconsider a weak argument. You're hoping your statements are self explanatory.

Also don't direct the behavior of people on a comment board. There's other places to go where you can feel good about yourself.

They are not edge cases for the people who use it out of need.

Feel free to provide details.

Try making an international transfer to a country that does not use USD/EUR/GBP without losing more than 5% of the total value to exchange fees ("official vs parallel") and government taxes on finance operations. Brazil not until long ago had a tax of 0.38% on every bank transfer (both ways!) and they have been talking about bringing it back.

Try working as a service provider with international customers, receive a payment from the client but getting notice from the bank saying it will take them 60 days to clear the money order, or that you can take it right away if they skim some of it.

Try living in Venezuela and seeing the government confiscating whatever property they can if you happen to be in the opposition. Try to keep up with hyperinflation while all of those in the elites can park their cash offshore.

Try to withdraw more than 600€ from your bank in Greece.

Try using an international contract as proof-of-income in a bank, in case you want to get a loan for your business. Try searching for a micro-credit solution that is not going to charge you usury rates.

Try running a business that is deemed "offensive" and see how you can not accept credit card payments. Not illegal. Just "offensive".

It's amazing that crypto has solved all of these problems, I wonder why people still have them.

It's not a problem anymore for those that are using crypto.

Why is it so hard for you to accept that you don't have a valid argument? Do you think that playing dumb and taking cheap jabs at what other people do gives you any moral superiority?

It's because you don't care if you're actually right. The proposals you're presenting are obviously not solved nor does Bitcoin solve them. If you have a problem paying 5% transaction fees than why would use Bitcoin (not to mention every transaction is subject to tax which gov'ts haven't been aggressive at collecting now, but can choose to collect it retroactively at any point having a public ledger to reference whenever they need it).

- I don't use Bitcoin, not anymore anyway. Stop assuming that crypto = Bitcoin, or that everyone that sees the value in blockchain believes in or depends on BTC.

- I am not in the US, so what you are talking about taxes make absolute zero sense. Stop assuming that everyone lives like you.

- Transaction fees are fixed, so while you certainly don't want to use it (at the moment) for transfer if small value, it is certainly an advantage to use for larger sums. Also, you can use a middleman who will take obviously less than banks.

But anyway, please continue telling me how the problems that I and others managed to solve or alleviate through crypto were not real.