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Re:Sarco suicide capsule ‘passes legal review’ in Switzerland by api on Sunday December 05, 2021 @01:48PM (#29451721)
It’s not about permission in the idealistic sense. It’s about issues like people being pressured or manipulated into it so someone can have inheritance, so the healthcare system can save money, etc.

These would be even larger concerns in the US than Switzerland for cultural and economic reasons.

I am personally against assisted suicide for the same reason I am against the death penalty: the logic works but only if you ignore the ugliness and messiness of real human behavior.

Re:Sarco suicide capsule ‘passes legal review’ in Switzerland by theragra on Sunday December 05, 2021 @02:04PM (#29451909)
So you think several cases of unintended death are more important than suffering of all who really want to die? Cause I can't imagine that percentage of wrong deaths is more than several percents.
Re:Sarco suicide capsule ‘passes legal review’ in Switzerland by sgustard on Sunday December 05, 2021 @02:24PM (#29452147)
A "wrong death rate of several percent" sounds problematic in almost any circumstance.
Re:Sarco suicide capsule ‘passes legal review’ in Switzerland by sokoloff on Sunday December 05, 2021 @02:39PM (#29452312)
That must be traded off against a “prolonged suffering rate of X%” as the overwhelmingly likely alternative.

We chose to euthanize our dog this summer. No matter how obvious her medical condition was, I still questioned whether we did it too early, too late, or just right. (Upon reflection, I think very slightly too late [by days or maybe a week].) I also couldn’t help but compare that experience to that of people. In many ways, I think we treat our family pets with more compassion.

Re:Sarco suicide capsule ‘passes legal review’ in Switzerland by syshum on Sunday December 05, 2021 @02:28PM (#29452184)
>>It’s not about permission in the idealistic sense

Then you proceed to give an idealistic reason to oppose it... A person choosing to end their life to preserve a family inheritance IMO would / should be a valid reason, your opposition to such a choice is idealistic.

>I am personally against assisted suicide for the same reason I am against the death penalty

There is no logical or idealistic similarities between the two as there is a difference between actions being forced upon you, and voluntary actions.

This has become a common trend in the modern era where we attempt to expand the idea of coercion to include scenario;s where people have only poor choices. Examples include people taking a poor paying job being "coerced" into it because they did not have "good" choices,

it is very dangerous to equate a circumstances where there are no good options to coercion

Re:Sarco suicide capsule ‘passes legal review’ in Switzerland by sokoloff on Sunday December 05, 2021 @02:35PM (#29452265)
I suspect I’m generally aligned with you on the topic, but I agree that “choosing suicide for grandma to preserve a family inheritance” is perfectly valid if grandma is choosing it, but acknowledge that it’s terribly problematic if the kids or grandkids are behind it. Being in the middle part of my life, I’ve seen the pressures that arise here, the concerns over finances and quality of life, and the diminishment of mental capacity of many elderly folks.

I had a close family member express repeatedly and regularly that “they were done” and “are looking forward to finally dying”. That’s what makes me strongly support individual choice here, but I’m not blind to the possibility of abuse here (and near certainty that it will happen in some cases).