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Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by 87329868723 on Friday December 03, 2021 @06:09AM (#29428707)
The theory that the "system will prevent a person from losing their life or becoming disabled for life because of a drunk driver" is just as much of a "what if" as anything they said. I would say it's more likely to be abused and malfunction than it is to work as advertised.
Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by seoaeu on Friday December 03, 2021 @09:20AM (#29430284)
Vehicle cashes are one of the primary causes of death for certain age groups. Tens of thousands of Americans died from them each year. Countless thousands more are injured. Drunk driving isn’t a “what if”, it is a regular occurrence that causes a significant fraction of these crashes
Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by 87329868723 on Friday December 03, 2021 @10:55AM (#29431378)
The comment I replied to said that the various ways this technology/regulation could have harmful effects were theoretical "what if" scenarios. I pointed out that the ways it could have beneficial effects are also theoretical "what if" scenarios. I'm not saying that people dying because of drunk driving is "what if", I'm saying that this technology/regulation preventing drunk driving is just as much of a "what if" as it doing anything else. Just because something is advertised as having certain effects by its proponents doesn't mean it actually has those effects.
Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by user-the-name on Friday December 03, 2021 @12:29PM (#29432606)
>I pointed out that the ways it could have beneficial effects are also theoretical "what if" scenarios.

It is not, because the technology exists, and it works. Unless you are doubting that it actually works, which you seem reluctant to commit to.

Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by mike741 on Saturday December 04, 2021 @12:45AM (#29438997)
there are multiple comments in this thread attesting to the fact that these detection systems often don't work.
Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by user-the-name on Friday December 03, 2021 @06:17AM (#29428773)
And how would you back up what you say?
Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by 87329868723 on Friday December 03, 2021 @06:21AM (#29428792)
Presumably the same way you would back up the assumption that it will work, preconceived notions on the effects of regulations in general?
Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by user-the-name on Friday December 03, 2021 @06:25AM (#29428810)
You don't think that these technologies actually work? Is that what you are saying?
Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by 87329868723 on Friday December 03, 2021 @06:51AM (#29428960)
I think it may be theoretically possible, but I don't think it will be implemented in a way that will work when it's mandated by law. Betting against regulations fulfilling their advertised purpose is usually a good bet. I think the most likely outcome of this is that it will make no difference to any driver, but that cars will be a little more expensive and collect more data that can be used for harmful purposes. Regardless, if we shouldn't assume that it will be harmful, we also shouldn't assume that it will be helpful.

EDIT: I have now read the article and would like to retract my guess that it will make no difference. It says that this will "require that the system be 'open' to remote access by 'authorized' third parties at any time". That's absolutely catastrophic and will almost certainly kill people.

Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by user-the-name on Friday December 03, 2021 @06:57AM (#29429000)
These technologies already exist, I don't know why you talk about them as a hypothetical.

Do you not think that the existing technology that is deployed in real cars is actually working?

Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by 87329868723 on Friday December 03, 2021 @07:15AM (#29429127)
Some technologies work and some don't, although I can't think of anything that works and was mandated before it was already in widespread use. In any case, this is much more involved and fuzzy than normal safety technologies. Additionally, see the edit to my previous comment, the state having a remote backdoor into cars is incredibly dangerous.
Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by user-the-name on Friday December 03, 2021 @09:04AM (#29430112)
You original post was doubting that this would save people from drunk drivers. You still haven't explained why you think it wouldn't do that.
Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by mark-r on Friday December 03, 2021 @10:37PM (#29438477)
Making driving illegal for everybody would certainly save people from drunk drivers too. Do you think that's a good idea?
Re:Buried in Infrastructure Bill Is a Mandatory Backdoor Kil... by yarky on Friday December 03, 2021 @10:41PM (#29438493)
Sure, why not?