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Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by pjc50 on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:15PM (#29423508)
Why not? We eradicated smallpox.
Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by whiddershins on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:24PM (#29423624)
The smallpox vaccine is a sterilizing vaccine, meaning you cannot be infected and cannot transmit it once you are vaccinated.

The MRNAs are non-sterilizing, as are many vaccines. They may reduce symptoms, reduce infections, and reduce transmission, but they are not considered a sterilizing vaccine.

Secondly, coronaviruses mutate much faster than smallpox, and have other hard to deal with stuff like asymptomatic transmission.

The only diseases we ever eradicated were polio and smallpox. I think we got rid of the guinea worm too. Out of all the many many diseases we have fought over the years.

Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by anonAndOn on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:49PM (#29423919)
Thanks to some Af-Pak mullahs, the world still has polio in the wild. [0]

[0]https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our-work/programs/global-dev...

Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by Eelongate on Thursday December 02, 2021 @06:35PM (#29424538)
You can thank the CIA for justifying their suspicion of vaccination drives.
Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by glogla on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:38PM (#29423799)
> The MRNAs are non-sterilizing

The vaccines we have are non-sterilizing - and my understanding is that the reason is mostly because we needed at least something very quickly and sterilizing vaccines for respiratory virus are harder to research. It is not inherent property of the technology as far as I know.

Sterilizing vaccines for COVID seem to be theoretically possible. "Natural" infection generates stronger immune response on mucus membranes as well as deep inside the body and that provides higher protection against infection. There's no reason why that wouldn't be possible to replicate using a vaccine. But nobody succeeded at making one yet, so we'll have to see if it's practical.

Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by prohobo on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:22PM (#29423590)
Are you serious? Let me ask you why we haven't eradicated influenza?

Not all viruses are the same, and neither are all vaccines.

Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by standardUser on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:29PM (#29423694)
It's generally considered impossible to eradicate a pathogen that can survive in "reservoirs" among wild animals, which this virus can.
Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by Eelongate on Friday December 03, 2021 @12:40AM (#29426977)
There's at least one exception to this; rabies. Wild animals can be vaccinated using baits containing an oral rabies vaccine.
Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by Pyramus on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:27PM (#29423668)
Because unfortunately the current generation of vaccines doesn't completely stop the spread - they certainly slow the spread in the weeks after the second shot, but then antibodies start to wane over the next months (which is why booster shots are being administered). Vaccines still protect from hospitalisation and death, though.

If you believe most virologists the only realistic scenario is that the virus becomes endemic, similar to most flu strains or other human corona viruses (which makes vaccination even more important!).

Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by EricE on Thursday December 02, 2021 @06:20PM (#29424356)
There are many treatments other than just the vaccine that can prevent hospitalization and death too. Some countries like India rely on them daily since the vaccines aren't widely available to them.

If you get infected with COVID there are far more options than "Sit around with a thumb up your ass until you have to be hospitalized and put on a ventilator".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAHi3lX3oGM

Every person spreading the "horse dewormer" nonsense should be charged with manslaughter. The politicization of this whole thing is beyond a fiasco.