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Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by nzk on Thursday December 02, 2021 @03:52PM (#29422367)
In three months, the booster efficiency might start waning again, we don't know that yet. These vaccines so far aren't looking like they are the solution to the pandemic either, better vaccines or better treatment might be. I'm not saying it doesn't make sense to get vaccinated if you want to help with the situation, but I do find the way our politicians deflect blame and openly insult a not so small segment of the population completely distasteful. They shouldn't be surprised if the people they're insulting are not willing to help anymore, now or in the future.

A strategy that would make sense would include BOTH vaccination and ICU capacity, one of which could have been started in March 2020, and it would have put us in a much better position today. Letting capacity decrease while waiting for vaccines that may or may not end the pandemic is negligent. Not getting vaccinated may be seen by some as negligent also, but different standards apply for governments and citizens.

The pandemic comes in waves, we do not need to plan for endless exponential growth. A few weeks of extra capacity would make the whole thing much easier to handle, given that we might be already at the peak and cases seem to be going down again[0]. The RKI weekly report[1] currently lists 1700 ICU cases, a month ago it was 1100[2]. So the 4000 beds we lost throughout the year[3] could have made a big difference.

[0]https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/rki-infektionen-103.html

[1]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus...

[2]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus...

[3]https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/zeitreihen

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Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by arrrg on Thursday December 02, 2021 @03:58PM (#29422458)
Please source the 4,000 number properly: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29422105

As I point out in my other comment, you cannot interpret that number in any to imply as though we ever actually had those 4,000 beds.

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Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by nzk on Thursday December 02, 2021 @04:27PM (#29422880)
Fair enough, thanks for the info, I'll check it out. But let it be 2594 then, that is still too many given that we should have increased it by any means possible before starting to publically insult 20% of the population. I'm not assuming a deliberate reduction, I am assuming negligence.
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Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by arrrg on Thursday December 02, 2021 @04:48PM (#29423165)
20% of the population is, however, behaving stupidly and irrationally and in a very antisocial way. Insulting them is perfectly fine.

Just as with opposition to seatbelts it’s important for politics to create facts and just decide this issue. Everyone should be vaccinated and that’s just how it is.

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Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by nzk on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:56PM (#29424008)
... yeah, okay, I disagree with everything. I don't think it's acceptable for a government to insult its citizens, and I do think boundaries should be respected.

Nothing more to say, our worldviews are too far apart.

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Re:Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan t... by blub on Friday December 03, 2021 @03:51AM (#29427973)
Vaccination is not a signal of intelligence or rationality :-)

There are many many reasons why one would or would not get a vaccine. For many, the reason was to go on vacation without too much hassle. Or because of social pressure. Or because they’re caring for someone who’s vulnerable.

If someone gets tested, uses masks properly and avoids groups of people they’re doing just as much as the average vaccinated. Definitely more than the truly antisocial which went into YOLO mode after getting vaccinated.

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