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Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by sidpatil on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @11:26PM (#29400663)
If they're that advanced, they might not even consider us to be intelligent by their standards. To them, we might appear as an ant on the sidewalk would appear to us. And as such, they might not even notice if they accidentally step on us.
Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by desmosxxx on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @02:59AM (#29401730)
I'm highly skeptical of this argument. e.g. I don't think humans avoid killing certain species because of their intelligence relative to us, but rather some more absolute scale (e.g. feels pain, or passes the dot test, etc.)

What's more common is just pure aggression or selfishness

Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by adrianN on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @03:21AM (#29401867)
The absolute scale for other species is more like "is a pet" vs "is not a pet". Humans kill other humans without too much hesitation if they can convince themselves that those other humans are sufficiently different from their in-group.
Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by GoblinSlayer on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @04:01AM (#29402055)
Parochial altruism is an adaptation to resource scarcity and danger. An advanced civilization will be less affected by such problems.
Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by adrianN on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @04:57AM (#29402310)
I think it's quite risky to assume anything about alien psychology.
Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by GoblinSlayer on Thursday December 02, 2021 @03:25AM (#29413760)
Agnosticism is useless for the purpose of decision making, it only suggests that all decisions are equally good.
Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by adrianN on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:22AM (#29414455)
I suggest acting according to worst case assumptions, not weighing probabilities equally.
Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by GoblinSlayer on Friday December 03, 2021 @03:52AM (#29427981)
Worst case is when you choose a wrong strategy.
Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by tshaddox on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @02:36AM (#29401608)
There are decent arguments (though I’m not fully convinced) that human intelligence is in fact general and that there can be no agent X such that X’s intelligence is to human intelligence as human intelligence is to ant intelligence.
Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by causi on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @03:32AM (#29401920)
Even if that were the case, there could be intelligences which think so quickly that humans are still slow fools by comparison. Particularly since we know of many limits to human intelligence. For example, humans can only truly think of a couple hundred different individuals as persons, instead of just examples of the general concept of people. That's why ten people dying in a three car pileup don't make you ten times as sad as one person being hit by a car. See also, the monkeysphere or Pak Protectors. Humans also have limits in relational comprehension. For example, you can know, and he can know that you know, and she can know that he knows that you know, and I can sort of know how she knows that he knows that you know, but somewhere around there it breaks down for a human mind.
Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by tshaddox on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @02:35PM (#29408131)
I agree with that, although I think it boils down to the fact that even if human intelligence is general there is still no limit (other than the laws of physics) to how much more technologically advanced another species could be. If we believe that human intelligence is general, then we could still increase our speed and abilities with technology—we already do this with things like a pen and paper, computers, cultural ideas about collaboration, etc. I certainly think it's possible that human intelligence is general but that our total computational and creative power is so incredibly tiny compared to another species with general intelligence that the other species may not care much about our wellbeing.
Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by KronisLV on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @08:16AM (#29403353)
Care to list some or maybe link some literature? It's certainly an interesting argument to make, that's for sure!

That said, if there were an intelligence at the scale of a planet (just a thought experiment, maybe like the "Planetary AC" in The Last Question by Isaac Asimov: https://www.multivax.com/last_question.html), i doubt they'd see us as much more than mold, which we'd find on a loaf of bread ourselves.

Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by tshaddox on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @02:38PM (#29408179)
The argument I'm most familiar with comes from David Deutsch. Here's a very quick summary of the argument: https://www.bretthall.org/alien-intelligence.html
Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by deepsun on Thursday December 02, 2021 @11:38AM (#29418460)
I doubt they would "step", because what "step" would mean here? Blow up Earth? But there are so much more readily available asteroids that it's not even worth messing up with planets.

On the other hand, ants are interesting, just for curiosity. We can certainly amuse and entertain, just like ants do, and we can afford leaving alone their nests, just because they don't really bother us.

But if we mean stepping on a single ant, not all the ants, then it's certainly possible aliens could kill a few humans inadvertently.

Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by duxup on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @12:09AM (#29400906)
Possibly, I think more so if there are many of us specs.

Having said that intelligence and curiosity go hand in hand, hard to imagine them not being somewhat interested in the specs.

Re:Alien hunters have spent 60 years finding new solutions f... by theandrewbailey on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @08:50AM (#29403592)
And yet, there are humans that study ants. Wouldn't some individual from said advanced intelligence find us worthy enough to preserve and study?