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Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by leokennis on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @04:13PM (#29397530)
My advice if you’re not on the level where three letter agencies are actively interested in your comings and goings:

- Use a strong pass phrase

- Enable biometrics so you don’t need to type that pass phrase 100 times per day

- Learn the shortcut to have your phone disable biometrics and require the pass phrase so you can use it when police is coming for you, you’re entering the immigration line in the airport etc. - on iPhone this is mashing the side button 5 times

Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by ndesaulniers on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @06:22PM (#29398717)
> Learn the shortcut to have your phone disable biometrics and require the pass phrase

On my Pixel (Android), it's hold the power button for ~2 seconds then select Lockdown.

Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by FactCore on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @08:59PM (#29399797)
In case anyone with an Android is confused because they don't see the option: I believe that you have to explicitly enable the Lockdown option in Android's system settings before it shows up.
Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by stjohnswarts on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @10:29PM (#29400342)
There are a couple of apps that will also lock down with a tap instantly. I'm sorry I forget the names though, but handy if you have it in hand and "open". I have been using iphone too long now to remember the names of the apps though. you can put a shortcut on every "page" of your android and tap it, it enforces locking the phone by passcode. so on most phones it would be a swipe and a tap, probably less than a 200 milliseconds if you practiced it.
Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by wskinner on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @04:33PM (#29397766)
On recent iPhones, the way to disable biometrics is to hold the side button and either volume button until a prompt appears, then tap cancel. Mashing the side button 5 times does not work.
Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by minhazm on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @04:42PM (#29397870)
Not sure how recent you're talking but I have an iPhone 11 Pro and I just tested pressing the side button 5 times and it takes me to the power off screen and prompts me for my password the same way that side button + volume does.

Apple's docs also say that pressing the side button 5 times still works.

> If you use the Emergency SOS shortcut, you need to enter your passcode to re-enable Touch ID, even if you don't complete a call to emergency services.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208076

Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by cyral on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @05:08PM (#29398123)
Pressing it five times starts the emergency SOS countdown (and requires the passcode next time) on my iPhone XS. Maybe you have the auto-calling disabled?
Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by samtheprogram on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @06:25PM (#29398758)
It doesn't on my 2nd Gen iPhone SE (2020). That said, anything that causes the "swipe to power off" screen to appear has the same affect, so essentially holding down the button for 5 seconds does the trick.
Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by diebeforei485 on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @06:56PM (#29398992)
The side button 5 times thing is disabled by default, but can be enabled from Settings > Emergency SOS.

I just verified this on iOS 15.1 on an iPhone 12.

Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by croutonwagon on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @05:13PM (#29398168)
Works fine on my 11, my wifes 12, her backup SE gen 2 and my backup SE gen1.

Just tested all of them

Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by leokennis on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @02:01AM (#29401416)
I’m on an iPhone 13 and the latest iOS and it does work here. But so does your method…

But I guess yours is the “official” way to do it indeed:

https://www.imore.com/how-quickly-disable-face-id

Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by kingcharles on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @06:29PM (#29398801)
If you _are_ at the level where TLAs are interested in you they will not give you a chance to mash that button. You will have a loaded gun pointed at your head out of nowhere and you will freeze. From experience.
Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by quenix on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @06:32PM (#29398816)
Is that a story you mind sharing?
Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by selectodude on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @09:08PM (#29399849)
He got popped for pedophilia if I remember correctly.
Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by ChrisKnott on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @02:26AM (#29401549)
Not sure why this is downvoted; you are right.
Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by normaler on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @04:00PM (#29409076)
I use this app on my phone

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.wesaphzt.privatelock/

It locks the phone when a movement threshold is broken, and then requires the password instead of biometrics to unlock the phone.

So the snatch the phone when it is unlocked vector gets harder.

Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by upofadown on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @06:09PM (#29398608)
In most cases you are going to want to separately passphrase your messaging stuff so it is locked up when you are not using it. That makes every thing else a lot easier. For example, there is a Signal fork that supports such operation:

* https://github.com/mollyim/mollyim-android

Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by babypuncher on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @06:48PM (#29398941)
So you're saying I should have to type a secure passcode every single time I want to read or send a message on my phone?

No thanks.

Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by upofadown on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @01:20AM (#29401232)
I think that it would stay unlocked for a time, possibly till you locked it. Possibly such an arraignment would be more practical for something offline like encrypted email.

A compromise would be to just save the messages to a passphrase. You could use a public key so that you would only need the passphrase to read the old messages. I haven't heard about anything that actually does this.

Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by 14 on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @04:26PM (#29397685)
I just tried this an it does not work for iPhone is it only on a certain iOS? I am a bit behind on updates. Thanks
Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by ribosometronome on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @04:34PM (#29397775)
That's actually the old method for iPhone 7 and before. Now, you can activate emergency SOS by holding the power button and one of the volume buttons. Assuming you don't need to contact any emergency contacts or services, just cancel out of that and your passcode will be required to unlock.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208076

Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by david_allison on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @04:35PM (#29397795)
Try: Hold "volume up" and "power" for 2 seconds

You'll feel a vibration, and biometric login will be disabled until you enter your passcode.

Re:FBI's ability to legally access secure messaging app cont... by 14 on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @06:36PM (#29398844)
That did the trick thanks. But ultimately I’m behind on updates so my phone could probably be broken into trivial with the forensic tools available to most law enforcement. I’m going to update soon.