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Re:Arctic Ocean started getting warmer decades earlier than ... by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @09:47AM (#29392665)
> but this study is saying Arctic Atlantification predates the industrial revolution (or at least occurs at the same time).

No, it isn't. It says it starts at the beginning of the 20th century, the industrial revolution usually dated as mid-18th to mid-19th century. The former is neither before nor at the same time as the latter.

> Not that I want to see continued use of fossil fuels in place of more sustainable options like nuclear and solar/wind. But what if scientists have been wrong about the causes of global warming?

There is no good reason to think that they have, and this study does not at all contravene, or even call into question, the consensus on the causes of warming.

Re:Arctic Ocean started getting warmer decades earlier than ... by yessirwhatever on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @09:51AM (#29392711)
> There is no good reason to think that they have, and this study does not at all contravene, or even call into question, the consensus on the causes of warming.

From the article:

> “Climate simulations generally do not reproduce this kind of warming in the Arctic Ocean, meaning there’s an incomplete understanding of the mechanisms driving Atlantification,” said Tommaso. “We rely on these simulations to project future climate change, but the lack of any signs of an early warming in the Arctic Ocean is a missing piece of the puzzle.”

I'd generally encourage people to be skeptical of everything, but I'd call this a really good reason to be skeptical.

Re:Arctic Ocean started getting warmer decades earlier than ... by dtech on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @10:03AM (#29392852)
It can just as well be an explanation why climate models have been pretty consistently under-estimating warming of time though.
Re:Arctic Ocean started getting warmer decades earlier than ... by yessirwhatever on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @05:14AM (#29402384)
Could be. If you're willing to admit that it might go the other way as well then I'm fine with being skeptical on either side (In fact I encourage it).
Re:Arctic Ocean started getting warmer decades earlier than ... by hinkley on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @12:01PM (#29394348)
James Watt's first heat engine went online the same year as the American Revolutionary War. We might recall also that one of the uses of his machines was to keep coal mines from filling up with water (ie, increase coal production).

This has been going on for a long time, and steel production was a major factor long before Watt.