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Re:Why don’t we just open the windows? Covid-19 prevention l... by PaulDavisThe1st on Sunday November 28, 2021 @07:28PM (#29374863)
The precautions required to guarantee zero exposure to an airborne virus are incredibly more substantial than most of us will ever be able to carry out in ordinary life (think biohazard labs).

So yes, almost all of us are going to be exposed to SARS-COV-2 at some point. Slowdowns are doubleplus good because the biggest risk from the disease is related to its impact on public health care systems rather than serious illness or death at the individual level. Masks slow down transmission, vaccination reduces chance of required hospitalization.

Re:Why don’t we just open the windows? Covid-19 prevention l... by tehjoker on Sunday November 28, 2021 @09:07PM (#29375505)
Zero is ideal, but a reasonable reduction is acceptable if we can pile together a number of different mitigations to get the effective transmission rate below 1.
Re:Why don’t we just open the windows? Covid-19 prevention l... by taeric on Sunday November 28, 2021 @08:11PM (#29375169)
This angle feels like giving up on all of the covid deaths. And is somewhat at odds with all cause mortality being attributed to undiagnosed covid.

I am open to the argument. Just feels to be begging a lot of other questions.

Re:Why don’t we just open the windows? Covid-19 prevention l... by PaulDavisThe1st on Sunday November 28, 2021 @08:54PM (#29375409)
I don't feel as if I'm arguing for "giving up on all the covid deaths". On the contrary in fact:

(1) likelihood of death decreases with the passing of time, because of improved treatment (and maybe testing also). So to minimize death, you want your exposure to be delayed as long as possible.

(2) there is reasonably convincing evidence that exposure level is significant in determining severity post-infection. Therefore you want to live within a community and with habits that keep you away from high exposure as much as possible.

So, the same strategies that slowdown exposure also help to reduce deaths

Re:Why don’t we just open the windows? Covid-19 prevention l... by taeric on Sunday November 28, 2021 @10:01PM (#29375872)
I guess you skirted closer to the flatten the curve argument than I was comfortable with. Seems that, in retro, it caused folks to take precautions to try and keep hospitals clear, and ultimately threw a lot of nursing homes under the bus.

That said, your first point is a good one. If made difficult by how many later waves in most places have similar death peaks to earlier ones.

I still think we are far away from really having evidence on any good strategy, sadly. All of the places that had it under control seem to have lost said control.

Which, ultimately, is a good enough argument for me, to not just give up on things that have any chance of helping. Sucks, as I am clearly open to the arguments that deniers use. Which... I'm not trying to further that angle, either.

Re:Why don’t we just open the windows? Covid-19 prevention l... by nradov on Sunday November 28, 2021 @08:30PM (#29375268)
Preventing exposure is impossible over the long term. Fortunately the vaccines and other treatments can prevent most deaths.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646

Re:Why don’t we just open the windows? Covid-19 prevention l... by manwe150 on Sunday November 28, 2021 @11:42PM (#29376457)
Highly improbable, but not impossible, particularly for beings with finite lifespans over the long term. Herd immunity is reached at HIT=1-1/R0, at which point the infection rate will slow, and some of the remaining uninfected and unvaccinated individuals will have avoided exposure, as the chain of transmission to them will be broken. Back at the start of COVID-19, that would have been a sizable percentage of the world, though now (due to the higher R0 for delta) it is a much smaller percentage of the population who can escape exposure in this way alone.

And note that R0 can be changed by altering some environmental factors in the formula above.