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Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by quadrifoliate on Saturday November 27, 2021 @01:56PM (#29362443)
The reality is far more prosaic than many people seem to believe.

Starlink has been reported to be taking "pre-orders" for the service at $99 in India; without having a license to operate [1][2]. This might seem like peanuts to the HN crowd, and the move to do pre-orders is completely in line with the "move fast" ethos of SV startups, but $99 is a non-trivial amount of money in rural India.

IMO the Government is right to at least warn people that they might not get the service promised, even if they do end up getting their money back. Also, in case Starlink decides to take the dynamic and innovative step of just keeping the money, it is unclear what recourse these prospective customers will have.

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[1] https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/telecom/teleco...

[2] https://www.pcmag.com/news/india-spacex-needs-a-license-to-o...

Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by btilly on Saturday November 27, 2021 @03:04PM (#29362903)
I will bet dollars to pesos that if Starlink fails to provide the service, the cause will be government corruption.

Therefore the government is warning people of the potential for them to get hurt because the government failed to get the shakedown that they're hoping for.

Excuse me if I fail to see said government as being in the right. Now you may think I'm just being cynical. But according to https://www.transparency.org/en/countries/india nearly 90% OF THEIR OWN CITIZENS think that government corruption is a big problem in India. I just think that the general public knows what they are talking about here.

Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by mohanmcgeek on Sunday November 28, 2021 @03:37AM (#29367241)
Is the perception of corruption the same as incidence of corruption? If anything this only shows that this country takes corruption way more seriously than "developed" countries.

This shady ISP from a known market manipulator should have a license before they started getting pre-orders. We don't want another FSD pre-order snake oil.. Do we?

Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by leobg on Sunday November 28, 2021 @06:00PM (#29374099)
Dude. So the stock went 20x and you missed it. Get over it.

Regarding the license, the “snake oil market manipulator” said something about that. When asked what corrupt governments could do if they didn’t want their citizens to have access to the unfiltered internet he said “they can shake their fists at the sky”.

Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by mohanmcgeek on Sunday November 28, 2021 @10:14PM (#29375956)
Because the ability to scramble signals is only something white countries have?

Not to mention this country has the ability to destroy these satellites if it came to it.

Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by dilawar on Saturday November 27, 2021 @02:19PM (#29362618)
Given the current political climate, iI won't be surprised if they will get the license as soon as they cosy up the A company. Whatapp got license to do financial transactions (UPI) just after they invested in Ambani's Reliance.
Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by mohanmcgeek on Sunday November 28, 2021 @03:40AM (#29367258)
Conspiracy theory infact: The investment was more than a year ago and whatsapp still doesn't have a full license to operate..
Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by desi_ninja on Saturday November 27, 2021 @02:27PM (#29362665)
That sounds like a conspiracy
Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by shlurpy on Saturday November 27, 2021 @02:43PM (#29362775)
Corruption is a type of conspiring yes. Your point?
Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by tata71 on Saturday November 27, 2021 @03:08PM (#29362923)
Conspiracy, or conspiracy theory?

Sick of seeing "educated" communities conflate the two.

Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by seibelj on Saturday November 27, 2021 @02:42PM (#29362763)
This is standard stuff in all countries. If you need something political done and you have given (“invested”) a lot of money to something a politician cares about, it tends to grease the wheels. Happens in every government on earth.
Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by btilly on Saturday November 27, 2021 @03:11PM (#29362947)
It happens different amounts in different countries. And the difference matters. Government corruption is a major drag on the economy. And therefore less corrupt countries experience compounding growth that helps them become rich countries.
Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by postmeta on Sunday November 28, 2021 @03:34AM (#29367227)
Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by mcguire on Saturday November 27, 2021 @02:04PM (#29362500)
If we all obeyed a dictum to "avoid selling things until you can provide those things", Silicon Valley would dry up overnight.
Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by JulianMorrison on Saturday November 27, 2021 @02:09PM (#29362539)
I fail to see a downside.
Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by tshaddox on Saturday November 27, 2021 @03:04PM (#29362904)
I don’t really see why that’s true, unless you consider companies’ pitches to investors to be “selling” something. Silicon Valley isn’t really known for the business model of taking money for preorders.
Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by Ballu on Saturday November 27, 2021 @02:10PM (#29362546)
There is a difference in "avoid selling things until you can provide those things" and "avoid selling things until you are allowed to sell things".
Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by phendrenad2 on Saturday November 27, 2021 @02:51PM (#29362823)
What's the difference?
Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by nine_k on Saturday November 27, 2021 @03:34PM (#29363113)
You may have the stuff you've invested into production of, and potential buyers willing to give you the money. But if your stuff is illegal to sell, tough luck.
Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by phendrenad2 on Sunday November 28, 2021 @04:39PM (#29373310)
So the real difference is between collecting preorders for something you MAY be able to fulfill in the near term vs something that you may be blocked from selling for an indeterminate amount of time.

Starlink will eventually be legal in India, but it could take decades. In this sense, there's no real difference between "avoid selling things until you can provide those things" and "avoid selling things until you are allowed to sell things". It's just that a normal person has a cutoff point where it becomes an unreasonable wait.

Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by Ballu on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @02:57PM (#29408403)
By default, all satellite operators are blocked in India. I haven't checked in last year or 2, you cant even use Garmin emergency devices which are becoming common in west outdoors. To use the satellite phones, you need to apply to the federal gov (called Central gov in India) and you can rent the phone from ministry. Atleast, thats the process for tourist or who are entering India from other countries. There are some changes happened in last 1-2 years, few satellite companies got the lic to provide services, but I am sure all the devices and services are highly regulated.
Re:India tells public to shun Starlink until it gets licence by butMyside on Saturday November 27, 2021 @02:11PM (#29362555)
Since it’s just math in a machine and we have the math written down all over, what would be losing of long term value to the human species?

I have made a lot of money thanks to SV, but it’s not what puts food on my table; people where I live do. I don’t live near SV.

Billions of us don’t give af about SV. It’s all hype and our daily lives will look pretty much the same without it.