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Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by Teever on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @08:02PM (#29337130)
We all need a place to live but we all didn't take a risk in taking out a mortgage like Bob did.

Bob's risks shouldn't negatively influence people who have more risk aversion to the point where it's less risky to take risks like Bob because then we'll all take risks like Bob and then end up in the situation where we are now.

Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by slt2021 on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @10:06PM (#29337830)
taking a mortgage is less risky, because it removes uncertainty over the future cash outflows for housing. It fixes your house payment and interest payment.

renting is actually more risky, because you are left exposed to interest rate risk, and housing market risk, etc in form of ever increasing rent prices.

in my opinion the proper solution would be increasing property taxes across the board and spending that money locally on schools and other community reinvestments, applying them on market prices and heavily taxing investment properties in single family homes (second and third house, house in title of LLC/S-corp, etc).

also tax heavily houses located in restricted zoning areas, like Palo Alto, CA. If NIMBYs don't want to see new housing in their backyard, they gotta pay up even more on market prices of their homes. provide tax incentives for YIMBYs

Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by koliber on Thursday November 25, 2021 @04:31AM (#29339733)
In some ways it is less risky, as you describe. In others, owning is more risky.

If you take a variable interest rate mortgage, as many people do, there is a risk of increased interest payments.

If you buy to live, and something changes in your life that requires you to move, you may be forced to sell in unfavorable market conditions. This is another risk of ownership.

The situation is quite involved.

Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by Teever on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @10:24PM (#29337932)
If Bob taking a mortgage is less risky why are we even having a discussion about Bob's risk?
Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by SilasX on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @10:33PM (#29337989)
Because the discussion was centered around the decision of whether policymakers should create said risk by reversing previous policies. The risk came from the choice of policy, not from the environment Bob was originally playing in.
Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by CogitoCogito on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @11:44PM (#29338292)
Isn't a change in policy just another factor in overall risk? Why should anyone assume that policy will not change?
Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by ivalm on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @11:24PM (#29338216)
Implied volatility on buying a house is lower than on renting, we are discussing policy changes that cause realized volatility to be different. If you use the government to change the market then you cant claim “free market.”
Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by selcuka on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @08:58PM (#29337468)
It's not all Bob's fault though. He had to live in somewhere and the only way for him to afford a house (theoretically worth $200K, inflated to $500K in the above example) even if he had $200K in savings was to get a $300K loan. Now if you reduce the house prices back to $200K levels he won't be able to refinance it anymore and his current bank will screw him even more.
Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by forgotmyoldname on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @10:18PM (#29337894)
It’s not the first time this happened. Houses lose desirability due to jobs moving out of town, crime rising, and so on. Buying an overpriced house shouldn’t guarantee you a solid return in the future.

We’re at a point where we’d rather Bob secure his “investment” while younger generations can’t afford a home to live in.

Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by selcuka on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @11:16PM (#29338172)
That's a bit out of context. My comment was a reply to:

> We all need a place to live but we all didn't take a risk in taking out a mortgage like Bob did.

My point is it wasn't necessarily a risk Bob has voluntarily taken. I'm not saying that we shouldn't do something to fix this but we shouldn't cause Bob to go bankrupt while trying to help younger generations as Bob may not be the opportunist here.

Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by salawat on Thursday November 25, 2021 @12:05PM (#29342962)
Correct. The bank, and the seller are. The seller has his money already. The bank created money out of nowhere to service that mortgage.

To my point of view, I see exactly where the haircut makes the most sense.

Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by selcuka on Thursday November 25, 2021 @06:31PM (#29346031)
> The bank created money out of nowhere

This is the part most people don't know or understand. We should fix the banking system first. Only one entity should be able to print money, not all banks.

Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by montblanc on Saturday November 27, 2021 @02:04PM (#29362496)
One man's debt is another's asset. If the banks don't collect their mortgages they might collapse. Will I trust a bank to save my money if I knew their balance sheet is negative?
Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by vineyardmike on Monday December 06, 2021 @09:03PM (#29468360)
it is negative. Real banks run negative in practice (in USA).
Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by salawat on Thursday November 25, 2021 @12:02PM (#29342941)
Risk folks. The availability of that loan due to artificially low interest rates propped up the bubbled price. The fact is, a seller is shopping for someone with more capital or less risk aversion to take a liability off their hands. My issue with this, is younger people are on the hook for it and many are not even advised on how they can vote with feet/wallets. That's wrong.

Without refusal to participate, there is no braking effect on Asset inflation. Someone quite literally has to lose their ass for things to correct so that the next generation has a sane foundation to build from, and Lord only knows, the centralization hacks pulled off by the last handful of folks have been so stupidly effective, we're even having this conversation. So, who is in the best spot to take haircuts? I assure you, it isn't the people on the lower side of the income/wealth curve.