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Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by netizen-936824 on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @12:31PM (#29332585)
Is my opinion, the company is cheating the employee by paying them less for the same work just because they live somewhere else.
Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by Gigachad on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @06:35PM (#29336508)
One side fully presented the terms at the start. The other lied. If you don't like the terms, don't accept them. It isn't like facebook is the only employer.
Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by isbvhodnvemrwvn on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @06:35PM (#29336504)
It has never worked differently. If you want to average out the pay you'll be paid much more closer to Bangladeshi pay than to SV one.
Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by alasdair_ on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @07:20PM (#29336850)
It’s more a legal thing. Companies have to follow the local labor laws and pay taxes to the appropriate states.
Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by refurb on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @08:22PM (#29337258)
Not sure the courts will really care about your opinion when there was an employment contract in place?
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Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by netizen-936824 on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @01:56PM (#29333692)
'Nobody forced them into slavery, why didn't they just go somewhere else?'
Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by HideousKojima on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @03:19PM (#29334636)
Slavery, by its very definition, involves force. From Merriam-Webster's dictionary:

Someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person without pay

Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by netizen-936824 on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @03:47PM (#29334935)
That's the point I was trying to make. Generally employees do not actually have much of a choice, if any. Especially if they have families to provide for so the distinction is rather moot
Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by HideousKojima on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @04:50PM (#29335585)
Employees can find another job. Or they can choose to have no job, and potentially starve to death etc. But the latter is the default of the human condition, and has little to do with the whims of corporations.
Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by netizen-936824 on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @06:01PM (#29336211)
Ah yes they can just choose to starve to death! Couldn't slaves make the choice to be beaten to death or executed for not working? Thank you for proving my point
Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by HideousKojima on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @07:02PM (#29336735)
If you're suggesting that human beings are "slaves" to the natural condition, yes. Work or starve has been the default state of humanity (and all forms of life on Earth) since the dawn of time. It's not "slavery" or "capitalism" or anything else, it's the default state of being.
Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by netizen-936824 on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @09:11PM (#29337539)
Oh my apologies, I guess that excuses paying people so little that they can't survive off the wages and need food assistance from the government. Capitalism truly has all the answers!

Companies were in a race to the bottom for wages, and many still are. People working these jobs sure maybe they can get an education, or get a foot in somewhere else. What about the next person to fill the shitty role they left? It's a continuous cycle of shitting on the lowest paid people in society and it needs to stop

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Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by netizen-936824 on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @06:01PM (#29336218)
Does an unskilled laborer have options in silicon valley? What options are those?
Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by jkljkljkl1 on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @06:04PM (#29336251)
Seems like goalposts, wasn't the thread about Facebook monitoring it's employees'? What unskilled labor is that?
Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by netizen-936824 on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @09:13PM (#29337554)
The post I initially responded to was about employers in general, and that post was responding to something about Facebook. This transitioned the conversation to the overarching theme of employer/employee relationship and pay
Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by heavyset_go on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @04:41PM (#29335512)
Slavery isn't just chattel slavery, it comes in many forms, including wage slavery.

The abolitionist and former slave Frederick Douglass had this to say on the subject[1]:

> [E]xperience demonstrates that there may be a slavery of wages only a little less galling and crushing in its effects than chattel slavery, and that this slavery of wages must go down with the other

From Wikipedia[1]:

> Douglass went on to speak about these conditions as arising from the unequal bargaining power between the ownership/capitalist class and the non-ownership/laborer class within a compulsory monetary market: "No more crafty and effective devise for defrauding the southern laborers could be adopted than the one that substitutes orders upon shopkeepers for currency in payment of wages. It has the merit of a show of honesty, while it puts the laborer completely at the mercy of the land-owner and the shopkeeper"

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery#History

Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by jkljkljkl1 on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @05:48PM (#29336102)
Working at FB isn't wage slavery, though, is it? If they can work there, cant they go get a similar job?
Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by netizen-936824 on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @06:03PM (#29336233)
The issue goes far beyond Facebook and extends to nearly all US companies. It seems disingenuous to suggest otherwise
Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by xyzzyz on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @03:15PM (#29334586)
People actually were forced into slavery, and actually are not forced to work for Facebook.

Do you often exploit slaves as a rhetorical tool?

Re:Wall Street grudgingly allows remote work as bankers dig in by netizen-936824 on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @09:15PM (#29337562)
Have you heard of the concept of 'wage slavery'?

People at the lowest paid tiers of society do not have a choice