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Re:The Next ‘Lab Leak’ by edgyquant on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @03:57PM (#29323419)
I want to disagree with you and say it doesn’t matter, but you’re definitely right hiding bad situations is in the playbook of the authoritarian and should have no place in our society.
Re:The Next ‘Lab Leak’ by csee on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @04:38PM (#29323891)
It matters in the same way that understanding why a plane crashed matters. If you can't figure out why a plane crashed then you can't improve flight safety much.
Re:The Next ‘Lab Leak’ by inciampati on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @05:20PM (#29324288)
This is a helpful apolitical perspective. We need to improve social safety. But the pandemic is different in scope. It's not that the plane crashed. Rather, our technology "may have" allowed us to accidentally make a pandemic. It's as if no plane crash had ever occurred before, and now we made one happen. If we understand what really happened, we might see this event as bringing us into a new era in our evolution. The fact that we can imagine this to be the case even while firmly denying it to be what happened it's a firm sign that the times have changed.
Re:The Next ‘Lab Leak’ by peteradio on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @09:09AM (#29330091)
I'm curious if you would expand on your last two sentences. They sound interesting but I don't quite grasp it.
Re:The Next ‘Lab Leak’ by wokwokwok on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @07:32PM (#29325536)
That’s because it’s a mechanical device owned by a single large international company.

You can’t “engineer away” a virus.

The airplane analogy only makes sense of you say the result of investigation is to apply international sanctions against countries who continue to manufacture unsafe aircraft and fly them domestically…

…but, you have a) arguably no business telling them what to do in their own country and b) how are you even going to know, since those aircraft never visit your country?

Ie. yeah, great concept, but it’s so disparate from what we’re actually talking about it’s meaningless in this context.

It won’t fix things, or make things better knowing where it came from.

The only wins will be ideological.

Re:The Next ‘Lab Leak’ by Thorrez on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @12:31AM (#29327186)
>You can’t “engineer away” a virus.

If the virus is caused by risky research, you can stop doing risky research.

>arguably no business telling them what to do in their own country

Aren't there international standards for dealing with viruses? Also, some of the research in the Wuhan lab was funded by the US. So the US did have business telling them what to do in some cases regardless of international standards.

Re:The Next ‘Lab Leak’ by DocTomoe on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @03:17AM (#29327917)
The genie is out of that bottle - the research has been done, and can be replicated by less honest actors. Under these circumstances, continuing this kind of research to understand how to combat viruses created by rouge actors might be the right thing to do.
Re:The Next ‘Lab Leak’ by csee on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @02:23AM (#29327657)
By figuring out how it leaked, you can fix gaps in lab safety processes.
Re:The Next ‘Lab Leak’ by darkerside on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @04:09PM (#29323571)
We have always been at war with Eurasia
Re:The Next ‘Lab Leak’ by optimalsolver on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @08:36PM (#29326034)
*Eastasia.
Re:The Next ‘Lab Leak’ by darkerside on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @07:25AM (#29329297)
I'm crushed that it is too late to ninja edit my comment