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Re:German car that was super-aerodynamic but impractical by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @02:54PM (#29322496)
Random question: how were very accurate curves like that machined in the 1930s? What was the process for creating the tooling that could create that kind of curved aluminum so accurately back then?
Re:German car that was super-aerodynamic but impractical by LeifCarrotson on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @03:16PM (#29322806)
To create curved parts, an operator would roll a piece of metal between two hard wheels on a machine called an English Wheel. The wheels apply significant pressure, and make the metal become thinner where you roll it. The same volume of metal is still present, so to become thinner it must spread out. If you expand the center of a piece, but leave the perimeter the same, then it will become domed.

If you'd like to see the machine in operation, here's a video by Ron Covell, a masterfully skilled sheet metal craftsman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omRlIBONJAM

A craftsman can carefully shape the metal to whatever shape was desired. But accurate? Who said anything about accurate? It's likely that everyone's paneling was of slightly different curvatures. They'd machine the mounting holes after the fact, so those would all match and be replaceable, but why would anyone care (how would anyone know?) if the curvature of the fender was a few millimeters different from another fender?

Re:German car that was super-aerodynamic but impractical by ajsnigrutin on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @08:38PM (#29326045)
> Who said anything about accurate?

Sometimes they had wooden shape templates... roll the part between the wheels until it seems ok, put it on the template, see where it's not quite right, back on the rollers, back on the template, back on the rollers, until the part was accurate enough.

Re:German car that was super-aerodynamic but impractical by thetwentyone on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @12:03AM (#29327070)
United Launch Alliance still makes some parts of their rocket by hand like this: https://youtu.be/o0fG_lnVhHw (at 25:15)
Re:German car that was super-aerodynamic but impractical by bookofjoe on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @07:59AM (#29329547)
That is fascinating. It must take a long time to become skilled enough to do that.
Re:German car that was super-aerodynamic but impractical by Jenk on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @04:43PM (#29323938)
As well as the English Wheel already mentioned several times, the profession of "Panel Beater" is quite literal. The panels are beaten into rough shape with various shaped-headed hammers, and then smoothed out with flat tools that resemble spatulas. It makes one hell of a din and takes a long time.

There are some luxury motor car brands that make a point of still using the panel beating (aka panel patting) techniques for their production. It adds months to the production time of highly skilled, and thus very expensive, panel beaters... but that's the price of oppulence.

Re:German car that was super-aerodynamic but impractical by jbay808 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @03:20PM (#29322875)
As other commenters noted, this is a prototype so it would have been done by hand with an English wheel and similar forming tools. There would be a set of master profile forms that the craftsman would check against to ensure that the panels are the right shape along various cross sections. For a production vehicle, they would have used a heavy press to stamp the panels, as they do today.
Re:German car that was super-aerodynamic but impractical by ferlp on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @04:34PM (#29323855)
Here in Argentina, perhaps 40 years ago, my father took me to a car restoration workshop where two metal sheet workers ("chapistas") were forming a 1936 Chevrolet coupé roof by heating a steel sheet in the floor with a torch and curving it up by cooling it with damp cloth. That's also a technique to remove dents. An English Wheel was used for the smaller radius parts.
Re:German car that was super-aerodynamic but impractical by jacquesm on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @03:18PM (#29322831)
English Wheel. You can still get them today, or, if you're a little bit skilled (and most people that would need one probably are) you can make one yourself.

Using them is an art.

Re:German car that was super-aerodynamic but impractical by timonoko on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @03:18PM (#29322835)
Just by eyeballing and manually moving metal sheet between heavy wheels. That is how they make compound curves for luxury cars and planes. https://www.tinmantech.com/gallery-of-metalwork/wheeling-mac...
Re:German car that was super-aerodynamic but impractical by prova_modena on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @03:38PM (#29323168)
The design would be first more-or-less worked out on paper, using various drafting tricks such as french curves or tensioned wooden strips.

This can then be translated to a series of full-scale wooden templates, either interlocking 2D sections, or 3D carved from solid. Alternatively, small diameter metal rods can be bent and welded together for a same purpose. Either technique allows a craftsperson to combine precisely formed 2D curves into a 3D shape. Small design changes would also be made at this stage, usually by eye rather than to a particular measurement. This full-scale reference model is called a body buck or in Italian "manichino."

Once you have the complete buck, craftspeople would shape flat aluminum panels into to fit on various sections of the buck. The craftsperson works iteratively until the shape is right, using tools such as an English wheels, bending brakes, mallets and sandbags as well as cutting tools like shears and hole punches.

Once the shape of each individual panel is correct, they are fastened to the car chassis by welding or a mechanical fastener like a screw. The appearance and surface of the body is still quite rough at this point, so there is an extensive manual finishing process before paint is applied. Panel gaps are adjusted, bulges and dents are tapped out with hammers, lots of sanding. Soft filler materials are applied to fill and smooth the body surface- we use "Bondo" for this now but back then they used a lot of lead. The "accurate" appearance of a final painted car body comes from this hand finishing process. However, accurate is a bit of a misonmer as even though the body may look smooth and shiny there are often a lot of geometrical imperfections and asymmetries. For example, headlights in slightly different positions, replacement windshields won't fit etc. For certain models, you can even use predictable "imperfections" in the bodywork to determine whether the body was replaced or majorly repaired at some later date.

This technique was in wide use in Italy (probably other places too, but idk) through the mid-1960s, at which time modern stamping processes became able to cheaply mass produce panels with much less manual labor. As this process is so labor and skill intensive, it's now a specialty. Even among auto body repair professionals, it's uncommon to find someone with the skill to shape large panels from scratch to a high standard.

If you're interested in this type of stuff, there's a great youtube channel called "cbrwatahiki"[0] where a guy uses manual techniques to reproduce aluminum car bodies in his garage. Language is Japanese but it's still possible to watch and learn a lot if you can't understand. While his methods are not quite the same as what a 1930s-50s era production shop would use, it still shows a lot of what is involved to fabricate a body based on a pattern.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZjqr9ScOlWSkcnTK_mLiSA

Re:German car that was super-aerodynamic but impractical by zardo on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @03:10PM (#29322725)
It's a one-off, the tooling was at most wooden forms.
Re:German car that was super-aerodynamic but impractical by anamax on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @09:42PM (#29337704)
For small production runs, an English Wheel would be appropriate. (The car doesn't have any sharp corners.)