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Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by Symbiote on Monday November 22, 2021 @05:04PM (#29312076)
I have a gallery of split keyboards, including this one. It's useful if you need an overview of what's available.

I have an ErgoDash with a Dvorak layout and a 3D printed adjustable tenting stand. The Djinn is fairly similar, though the additions are features I don't care for (encoders, screens, LEDs).

I've bought most of the parts to make a Lagrange, but still need to order the PCBs. I expect this to be an improvement on the ErgoDash, since I can include the missing keys (F1-F12 etc).

Just buying a Kinesis Advantage2 would probably have been a whole lot less effort.

https://aposymbiont.github.io/split-keyboards/

(And a discussion from nine months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26179311 )

Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by tadfisher on Monday November 22, 2021 @11:57PM (#29314761)
Mine isn't there: https://github.com/tadfisher/nyx-kb

Of course, I need to do a better job at advertising and keeping up with trends like OLED screens and rotary knobs. But as a plain-Jane Bluetooth split ortho keyboard, I fervently enjoy typing on it.

Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by Symbiote on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @08:19AM (#29329695)
Thanks -- added!
Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by zuhsetaqi on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @12:50AM (#29314969)
Nice list. Does anyone have experience with the uhk.io[0]?

[0] https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/

Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by simon1573 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @06:26AM (#29316588)
I'm typing on an UHK v1 right now. I've been using it for a year or so and I love it. As the other commenter said is just a really high quality split keyboard with great software.

I would really recommend anyone who looks into buying one to also buy the palm rest since it's a pretty thick keyboard. I use a tenting setup and I don't think I would be able to do it comfortably without the palm rests.

A few months ago the key cluster arrived as well - it feels kind of gimmicky though since all I use it for is play/pause/next song and to switch to my chat workspace. Others might have better use for it though. The scroll wheel is nice but I'm already used to the mouse layer on the keyboard, so I seldom use it.

My only gripe is the USB-connection. The v1 uses a mini-USB connection that I felt would be the first thing to break on the keyboard (since the rest of the keyboard feels like it would outlive me), so I soldered one of those magnetic cable heads to the keyboard and bought a few cables that I have lying at every desktop I use, "mag-safe".

Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by willmorrison on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @12:57AM (#29314991)
I’ve used one for over a year and love it. Their software is easy to use for rebinding keys and setting up layers, the build quality is great, and the tented configuration has helped me with occasional wrist pain.

I haven’t used the new UHK, any of their addons, or the palm rest, so I can’t speak to those.

Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by zuhsetaqi on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @06:02AM (#29316451)
Did you use any other comparable keyboards beforehand and how did they compare? And which switches did you get. I borrowed a daskeyboard [0] from a friend with Cherry Brown switches which I like but I think a little more actuation force would be nice. Do you know anything about the Brown Boxed which uhk offers? Are they exactly the same as the regular ones except with more actuation force?

[0]https://www.daskeyboard.com/de/daskeyboard-4-ultimate/

Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by willmorrison on Sunday November 28, 2021 @10:45AM (#29369764)
I looked at some other split keyboards online and determined the UHK would be best for me because of their customization software (UHK agent), adjustable feet for tenting, and module system. My UHK has their brown switches because I didn’t enjoy the blues I was using before. They seem just like cherry mx browns to me.
Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by Symbiote on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @07:37AM (#29329367)
I haven't used that keyboard or those switches, but when I was building my own (from a kit) I purchased a "switch tester" with about 80 different keys. I found the type I liked, then sold the tester for about 90% of what it cost -- I think I used /r/MechMarket to do that.
Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by bmn__ on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @01:41PM (#29333515)
Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by palmetieri2000 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @03:45PM (#29323253)
Sweet list and just what I've been looking for lately, thanks so much.

https://github.com/YangPiCui/ErgonomicVerticalKeyboard

This one is hilarious, the design caught my eye with its unique shape and the mandatory pro-Mormon proclamation (which at first I thought was a joke about the shape of the hands on the keyboard being prayer-like) until the creator told me to repent my sins.

Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by colemannugent on Monday November 22, 2021 @07:56PM (#29313445)
Thanks for putting this together. You're doing the Lord's work.
Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by Cullinet on Monday November 22, 2021 @08:46PM (#29313735)
interestingly the project name is used (with various spellings) to have a Koranic meaning approximately of a unaligned or as yet not spiritually directed spirit : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn
Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by sokoloff on Monday November 22, 2021 @08:27PM (#29313626)
Wow. That’s quite the collection. I thought it was a splurge to buy my first Kinesis about 22 years ago. Since upgraded it to the USB (always the Advantage style) and love it.
Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by Cullinet on Monday November 22, 2021 @08:58PM (#29313801)
ergonomic keyboard design surely is begging someone to write their thesis on the subjects involved with figuring out the difference between individual preference and the non empirical / subjective measures of preference and selection priority.

I have always believed that the problem with ergonomic keyboard design could be solved for a majority of cases with one single design, optimised over a number of generations rapidly in about 3 years (or a more optimal period allowing you to iterate retail cycles and customer reviews and reactions as well as observations in actual use) and make a excellent long term investment for a relatively small amount of capital.

the capital amount of course wouldn't be small in every individual view of small, but I can definitely imagine the required capital investment can be kept in check within less than -$3mm and return overall very well real inflation adjusted over a very decent length of time.

(i tend to presume the existence of very strong IP law knowledge in the design and development and management team - this i would like to be overlapping roles - but about one third of the capital in any project like this would be allocated by me to legal and IP rights protection in any event because you don't want to be responsible for that with only product development experience no matter how well educated in IP law and practice you are . Product liability and environmental and ethical concerns would receive a significant budget today as well , especially when everything is outsourced (Logitech since 30 years effectively in the beginning ...)

Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by __mharrison__ on Monday November 22, 2021 @10:43PM (#29314360)
I think this isn't a one size fits all thing. Hand sizes are different. Some appear to be more prone to RSI. Some use emacs. Might be some placebo effect as well. Happy to be proven wrong.
Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by castlecrasher2 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:38AM (#29319887)
I think varying hand sizes and especially finger sizes proves you right.
Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by __mharrison__ on Monday November 22, 2021 @10:54PM (#29314425)
What do you use the knobs for?
Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by bikingbismuth on Monday November 22, 2021 @11:31PM (#29314610)
I use the encoder knob on my macropad for gimicy undo/redo. Left undoes, right redoes. I’ve also used it for volume, page up/down, and zoom.
Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by Symbiote on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @07:41AM (#29329396)
My keyboard didn't come with knobs, but with some carefully placed extra wires and some spare pins on the controller I added them.

I used them for PgUp/PgDown (to scroll up/down in a terminal), mouse wheel scroll, and cursor keys.

However, my hack job eventually caused problems. I think I had an intermittent short somewhere. I removed the knobs, and I don't miss them.

I may add a knob on a horizontal rather than vertical axis, but I should 3D print something to hold it in the correct place if I do this.

Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by junon on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @06:41AM (#29316695)
Without meta key, volume/mute (on press). With meta key, skip/pause (media keys).
Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by bedobi on Monday November 22, 2021 @09:39PM (#29314035)
which of these come preassembled and are in stock?

pretty much all of them seem to be DIY, or, simply out of stock

Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by Symbiote on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @07:46AM (#29329447)
I may need to go through the whole list and mark more of them as unavailable, but in theory the ones under "Mass Produced" should be available fairly quickly from a large enough retailer that your employer would be willing to buy them.

The ones under "Assembled" are from small businesses or side businesses, or at times may be unavailable for months, or have week+ delays before delivery. There are some companies like https://falba.tech/ (EU) and https://bastardkb.com/ (Canada?) who make several models.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ErgoMechKeyboards/ is the best place to ask if you have other questions, including on other suppliers.

Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by galcerte on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @04:15AM (#29315972)
The UHK and the ErgoDox are the two most prominent preassembled ones. The former is out of stock, though.
Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by thefunnyman on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @01:42PM (#29321481)
The Moonlander is another recent option. Had mine for a few months and absolutely love it but it’s also my first split so not much for me to compare to.
Re:Djinn Split Keyboard by davidjytang on Saturday November 27, 2021 @10:32AM (#29360884)
thank you for showing me your gallery. immense enjoyment.