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Re:Science upside for Starship by JohnJamesRambo on Monday November 22, 2021 @10:02AM (#29306980)
Anyone that has seen Blade Runner and the news should see that as a concern.

The rich would spoil Earth and defile it and then move off to the ultimate gated community of Mars, leaving us to deal with the consequences of their actions.

Re:Science upside for Starship by pixl97 on Monday November 22, 2021 @10:21AM (#29307249)
This has always been a bad idea based of unrealistic science fiction.

Mars is the spoiled planet, and will be until some point technology is a lot further along. The rich are not going to run away to some wonderland. Earth is the garden, and nothing else is like it in space.

Re:Science upside for Starship by handrous on Monday November 22, 2021 @10:40AM (#29307541)
Yep. The list of things that could make Earth a worse place to live than Mars is very short. A big enough asteroid to liquefy the entire crust would do it, for a while. A "mere" dinosaur-killer wouldn't be enough. Nor would nuclear war. Most of the rest of the options are still sci-fi, like Grey Goo events, or a very contagious very deadly infectious disease (and that would have to have some way of sticking around for a long time, for an orbital habitat or sealed earthbound habitat not to still be better than Mars, since you could get back more easily once it was gone or we had a way to fight it).

Otherwise you've gotta start stacking disasters to get close, and even then it's pretty difficult. Mars is really bad.

Re:Science upside for Starship by Ekaros on Monday November 22, 2021 @05:01PM (#29312050)
Just look at decadence in rather inhospitable environments on earth... Let's take Dupai or some deserts in USA with golf courses. No way whole Earth will get worse than that. And basically we already have luxury lifes in such places, air conditioned malls, apartments, cars. Over use of water to water lawns...

Also, it is not like you couldn't vastly more cheaply and easily build Mars bunker on Earth. As we are centuries away from planet scale geo-engineering.

Re:Science upside for Starship by wonderwonder on Monday November 22, 2021 @12:41PM (#29309237)
Agreed, I think another thing missed by so many is that if we can settle mars that same technology can be used here on earth to make inhospitable parts of the planet usable again should we mess it up badly enough.
Re:Science upside for Starship by JohnJamesRambo on Monday November 22, 2021 @01:05PM (#29309609)
Yes I know that. But do THEY know that? I’m not so sure. Elon/Bezos seem to think you can hand wave/buy the radiation away like they do their problems on earth. Maybe with absolutely massive amounts of money they could find a way. And we would be the ones footing the bill for that.
Re:Science upside for Starship by maxerickson on Monday November 22, 2021 @10:46AM (#29307626)
We don't have the technology to make Mars anything better than a miserable hell.

If we did, it would still work better to just use it here on some isolated land.

Re:Science upside for Starship by whatshisface on Monday November 22, 2021 @11:55AM (#29308553)
The technology to make mars psychologically livable may simply be having some people grow up there.
Re:Science upside for Starship by maxerickson on Monday November 22, 2021 @12:02PM (#29308646)
The comment I replied to was about people with wealth and power "escaping" there.
Re:Science upside for Starship by tsimionescu on Monday November 22, 2021 @10:56AM (#29307760)
No no, didn't you read the article? With Starship we could launch 12 * 100,000 30m wide light sails and heat up Mars!

Such a ridiculous idea puts the rest of the article in a very questionable light for me.

Re:Science upside for Starship by ncmncm on Monday November 22, 2021 @12:07PM (#29308712)
It is a fact that we could launch light sails, and even heat up Mars a bit. The idea might be silly, but at least it is thinking big. Some other big idea will be better, including several of those listed after the light-sails bit.

The earth-sized radio telescope made out of Starlink transceivers is an obvious winner. Total coverage ground radar using the transceiver antenna is another.

Re:Science upside for Starship by Ekaros on Monday November 22, 2021 @05:02PM (#29312061)
If such thing could be used to heat up Mars, could it be used to cool down Earth?