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Re:Dopamine Fasting: A Maladaptive Fad (2020) by falcolas on Sunday November 21, 2021 @10:47AM (#29297020)
Considering that insufficient dopamine is one of the main mechanisms behind ADHD - no, you do not want to literally fast from dopamine.
Re:Dopamine Fasting: A Maladaptive Fad (2020) by coldtea on Sunday November 21, 2021 @10:55AM (#29297102)
Well, you don't fast from dopamine in that sense even following the "fad". So the article (or at least it's title) is misingenuous - you fast from BS, stressful, and psychologically addictive input...
Re:Dopamine Fasting: A Maladaptive Fad (2020) by VortexDream on Sunday November 21, 2021 @11:03AM (#29297171)
No, you're right. The whole article misses the forest for the trees. The term "dopamine fast" doesn't literally mean fasting from dopamine. It's about fasting from easy "dopamine hits" from media designed to exploit the way our rewards circuitry works.
Re:Dopamine Fasting: A Maladaptive Fad (2020) by bildung on Sunday November 21, 2021 @11:47AM (#29297632)
I think this criticism is itself missing the forest for the trees. The idea behind dopamine fasting is, (possibly unfairly) reduced to the minimum, that doing less of a harmful behaviour for a while will cure us of our problematic behaviour. In other words, we actually are addicted to dopamine itself, instead of having built up maladaptive cognitions. This is what (I think) the article tried to refute.

Even with the little we know about the inner workings of our brains, this doesn't appear to be true: We have to actively build up alternative behaviour and critically inspect/change the cognitions that actually promote the problematic behaviour.

So if a person has unhealthy bevaviour patterns regarding social media consumption, just doing less of that without also actively changing the cognitions that lead to the unhealthy behaviour in the first place won't help much. We do these things because we have a mostly subconsious theory that doing this is good for us. If this actually isn't, than that assumption has to be challenged, and healthy alternatives have to be built up. Just not doing the thing for a while won't replace the assumption, unless one is abstinent for a really long time (think years).

Re:Dopamine Fasting: A Maladaptive Fad (2020) by coldtea on Sunday November 21, 2021 @02:32PM (#29298975)
>So if a person has unhealthy bevaviour patterns regarding social media consumption, just doing less of that without also actively changing the cognitions that lead to the unhealthy behaviour in the first place won't help much. We do these things because we have a mostly subconsious theory that doing this is good for us. If this actually isn't, than that assumption has to be challenged, and healthy alternatives have to be built up. Just not doing the thing for a while won't replace the assumption.

It's not about replacing the assumption. I don't even think there's much of an assumption (that it's good for us), it's rather the opposite: people actually hate themselves for spending so much time on social media, youtube, etc.

So, it's more about kicking a bad habit, than about trying to change some non-existing assumption that it's a good thing.

Re:Dopamine Fasting: A Maladaptive Fad (2020) by darkerside on Sunday November 21, 2021 @11:19AM (#29297341)
Seems almost purposefully dense in that way. I'd consider flagging it except, ironically, the headline itself was more informative to me than the article.
Re:Dopamine Fasting: A Maladaptive Fad (2020) by patmorgan23 on Sunday November 21, 2021 @11:32AM (#29297483)
Exactly, it's like the author has never hear of the hedonic treadmill. Something I a 24 year old who has taken exactly one psychology course knows about.
Re:Dopamine Fasting: A Maladaptive Fad (2020) by bildung on Sunday November 21, 2021 @11:59AM (#29297749)
This has nothing to do with the hedonic treadmill. The treadmill model describes changed on much larger timeframes and of much larger impact, i.e. how your model of the world changes if you lose both legs, or become a parent, or become rich etc.

Dopamine fasting is a mechanistic model trying to explain unhealthy behaviour patterns that can occur dozens of times a day.

Re:Dopamine Fasting: A Maladaptive Fad (2020) by ravenstine on Sunday November 21, 2021 @11:43AM (#29297595)
That's an oversimplification of ADHD. The "insufficient" dopamine is extremely contextual; more accurately, dopamine is dysregulated. By suggesting that dopamine itself is a cause, which I think you are suggesting, then that's like saying the a cause of ADHD is a lack of attention. The question for ADHD should be whether abstaining from dopamine-stimulating activities does anything to correct that dysregulation and, barring some evidence I've yet to research, I don't think the answer is obvious or self-evident.

Besides that potentially fallacious point I made, I don't think the ADHD brain is really relevant to whether dopamine fasting is beneficial for other brains than those with ADHD.

Re:Dopamine Fasting: A Maladaptive Fad (2020) by p2p_astroturf on Sunday November 21, 2021 @12:58PM (#29298205)
This has to be the stupidest sentiment I've seen other than the dopamine meme itself where laypeople online use the word to back up reactionary politics.
Re:Dopamine Fasting: A Maladaptive Fad (2020) by greenhatman on Sunday November 21, 2021 @02:59PM (#29299188)
Is it insufficient dopamine or dopamine insensitivity?