Re:Overview of new features in Apache HTTP Server 2.6
by koprulusector on Sunday November 21, 2021 @01:14AM
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Probably the single biggest thing in my own experience - and that the SPA naysayers or php/flask/ruby commenters miss, the ability to work on front end while the browser updates automatically, without a full page reload, and while maintaining state (for example, complex form fills), including layout/style changes (which are automatically scoped and vendor prefixed for you) is the single greatest time saver and ergonomic feature that at least for me, makes React + webpack + all the things they’re complaining about worth it over any caveats and/or benefits of “X instead.”
Re:Overview of new features in Apache HTTP Server 2.6
by jhgb on Sunday November 21, 2021 @03:27AM
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Full page reloads seem like a red herring to me here. There doesn't seem to be a difference in feasibility of achieving these things between having and not having them.
Re:Overview of new features in Apache HTTP Server 2.6
by 1123581321 on Sunday November 21, 2021 @01:12AM
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And to take this analogy further, adding HTMX to a traditional web framework or switching to Phoenix LiveView is like jacking up the whole house and moving it to a better spot in an afternoon, which is what my coworker’s family did to their first home the week they bought it after moving to the US. If you don’t know it can’t be done…
Re:Overview of new features in Apache HTTP Server 2.6
by porker on Sunday November 21, 2021 @04:15AM
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> which is what my coworker’s family did to their first home the week they bought it after moving to the US
Tangential to this thread but... why? I'm asking from a country where that is not a done thing, and where heave and shrinkage under foundations cause enough problems without even thinking of moving them.
Re:Overview of new features in Apache HTTP Server 2.6
by 1123581321 on Sunday November 21, 2021 @04:30AM
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They were Polish immigrants. I know part of the work involved the foundation but not much more. Obviously no time to expand a basement or crawlspace, if there was one. It sounds insane to me, too, but I'm the kind of person who waffles over which foundation engineering firm to call just to get an estimate.
Re:Overview of new features in Apache HTTP Server 2.6
by dreyfan on Sunday November 21, 2021 @02:19AM
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Phoenix Liveview is far more similar to a python or ruby app. You just have a websocket keeping things synced perfectly and maintaining state.
It’s awesome, yes, but it’s quite orthogonal to the nodejs/npm way of doing things. It’s far better.
Re:Overview of new features in Apache HTTP Server 2.6
by 1123581321 on Sunday November 21, 2021 @04:50AM
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I'm a big fan. :) I think many people would be happier making 'real-time' apps with the approach than with a messy JS stack.
So many small things are just now better - aligned with what we really needed to start with. Whether it's the automatic reactive updating dev server, the fact I can embed CSS directly with my component and have it scoped there, or that I can use properly DRY CSS, or that I can unit test my code separate to the DOM, that I can build my pages in a truly "functional" way such that they are free from complex state bugs ... all these things are small ... but big.