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Re:The ‘Zelle fraud’ scam: how it works, how to fight back by mschuster91 on Saturday November 20, 2021 @05:58AM (#29287009)
In Europe, regulation prevents or at least places strong barriers on SIM card theft, which makes SMS 2FA pretty secure. You can't just go and transfer a phone number in a matter of minutes to someone else - it is always a multiple days long process involving numerous SMS notifications prior to the actual transfer.

Every time I read post-mortems on hacks and scams in the US, my mind is a bit blown on just how easy most could have been prevented by tiny bits of government regulation that we Europeans take for granted.

Re:The ‘Zelle fraud’ scam: how it works, how to fight back by Nextgrid on Saturday November 20, 2021 @09:11AM (#29288217)
> You can't just go and transfer a phone number in a matter of minutes to someone else - it is always a multiple days long process involving numerous SMS notifications prior to the actual transfer.

I was a phone store monkey working on close to minimum wage a few years back in the UK. I could absolutely swap someone's SIM with no problems what-so-ever and it typically took only a few minutes for the new one to become active and start receiving SMSes (the old one will still have signal - though no more traffic - for a few hours making detection difficult unless you actively try to place an outbound call).

While we're supposed to verify someone's identity, a dedicated fraudster could absolutely trick us and we were never given any proper identity verification solutions, nor enough training, and frankly not being paid enough to care anyway (which also exposes us to bribery/insider threats).

SMS 2FA will absolutely not be secure as long as minimum wage employees hold the keys to the kingdom, and I'm only talking about in-store employees making UK minimum wage. I'm sure the situation is much worse in offshore call centres.

Re:The ‘Zelle fraud’ scam: how it works, how to fight back by signal11 on Sunday November 21, 2021 @04:11PM (#29299766)
The technical term for this is “insider risk” and it’s not just confined to phone store workers. Ops People working in mobile phone companies in NOCs and so forth have a lot of power too. Lucky they don’t have any bad apples, right… right? Or a bad actor wouldn’t seek to join them for a contracting job or seek to subvert an existing employee?

The reality is, mobile phone companies never started out to be identity providers. App developers did that.

Re:The ‘Zelle fraud’ scam: how it works, how to fight back by human on Saturday November 20, 2021 @07:46AM (#29287609)
We mostly need to sue the hell out of companies that don’t identify correctly their customers when making important changes to their account (like transfering a phone number)!
Re:The ‘Zelle fraud’ scam: how it works, how to fight back by tata71 on Saturday November 20, 2021 @09:34AM (#29288403)
SMS is not, and never has been, a secure means of communication.

Do not hold the carriers responsible for shit we've done.

Hold the carriers and ISPs responsible for their actual crimes, like selling our data to the government and marketing companies like the world is about to end.

Re:The ‘Zelle fraud’ scam: how it works, how to fight back by human on Saturday November 20, 2021 @03:49PM (#29291712)
I’m not talking about SMS technology but company policies.
Re:The ‘Zelle fraud’ scam: how it works, how to fight back by mndgs on Saturday November 20, 2021 @06:37AM (#29287194)
Touche, mister, touche..