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Re:A concept that took hold in the ’70s haunted everything f... by christophilus on Friday November 19, 2021 @07:38AM (#29276538)
Not gonna defend him, but I was once an atheist and am now Catholic. People do change, and it’s always weird when people pull the “no true Scotsman” card on you. I have plenty of liberal friends who were once conservative.
Re:A concept that took hold in the ’70s haunted everything f... by jquery on Friday November 19, 2021 @08:08AM (#29276737)
I don’t think it’s “no true scotsman” when someone is saying they aren’t scot and that they’ve never been within 1000 miles of Scotland.
Re:A concept that took hold in the ’70s haunted everything f... by skinnymuch on Friday November 19, 2021 @04:44PM (#29282955)
The sibling comment echoed what I was trying to say. It’s not a no true Scotsman. It’s what the sibling comment said. That’s what I have a problem with. It’s a more and more common occurrence among obviously conservative/right wing people continuously saying they were recently liberal/progressive or are still centrist.

At no point in any blog post did I see the blogger refer to themselves as conservative. Only cheering conservatives on a lot and blaming the left for a bunch of stuff (the only group the blogger said he has identified or belonged to)

Re:A concept that took hold in the ’70s haunted everything f... by timr on Friday November 19, 2021 @06:21PM (#29283877)
He's not a conservative.

You're engaged in tribalism: defining people as members of the other team because they disagree with you on one issue.

I am on the left, and agree with Prasad that the institutional left has done generational damage with its response to Covid, abandoned reason and equity and respect for science. If the "right" happens to agree with me, then that's fine.

Re:A concept that took hold in the ’70s haunted everything f... by zpeti on Friday November 19, 2021 @08:16AM (#29276806)
I'm not sure what makes you right wing about being worried about school closures. We have studies showing worsening eyesight for children because of lockdowns: https://www.aao.org/eye-health/tips-prevention/covid19-pande...

(that might have an effect for 100 years?)

A 7 year old child is extremely malleable, and especially socially needs an incredible amount of input to develop as a person. What you do today to a 7 year old for (currently) 2 years has a massive effect later.

Not to mention, how do you think a 7 year olds parents are affected by lockdowns who they are locked up with? Alcoholism? Up. Drug abuse? Up. Domestic abuse? Up.

So again, where is the guy wrong?

Re:A concept that took hold in the ’70s haunted everything f... by skinnymuch on Friday November 19, 2021 @04:56PM (#29283092)
Think of the children is literally one of the major propaganda tactics the far right has used recently. You can look up save the children sort of stuff. No one doesn’t want to help children. It’s bizarre that Q anon sort of people are able to spin things as if they care about children more than others.

Every one cares about children.

> I’m not sure what makes you right wing

The person consistently bashes the left and praises conservatives. I said that too. Not just school closures in isolation. What would you call someone who does that? Also I brought up the only association they do quickly make is saying they used to be progressive. Another common tactic taken by people who either never were and definitely aren’t now left of center at all. However they will keep leaning right without ever saying they lean right.

A number of political internet personalities in the intellectual dark web continue to do this ploy to varying degrees. Two less egregious examples are Stephen Pinker and Joe Rogan. Two more obviously slanted examples are the Pool and Rubin guy.

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> Alcoholism? Up. Drug abuse? Up. Domestic abuse? Up.

I stated this in another comment. The status quo has never been good for children who were lower socioeconomically. All metrics: school funding, the amount learned, correlation between exam scores and going to university, all are unfair with our status quo.

Why is there suddenly this behavior of caring for all children as if mostly the right and maybe some centrists who want schools open are the ones who care about children. The blogger specially said the left is bad because they kept schools closed. As if the left doesn’t care about children as much.

All the issues you mentioned effect lower socioeconomic families more than any any other group of people. Where is the care for them when the war on drugs screwed stuff up for so long? It’s hard to believe these things are truly cared about when they have never been a focus for the vast majority of the country, both left and right, until the pandemic became insanely politicize and the right didn’t like the lockdowns.

Re:A concept that took hold in the ’70s haunted everything f... by zpeti on Saturday November 20, 2021 @02:47AM (#29286334)
Your entire argument is, yeah this happens anyway so why do we care.

We care because these things have gotten worse in lockdowns, proven by numbers. Just because something has existed before, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t give a shit when it increases.

Especially if you’re supposedly left wing which I imagine you identify with.

“Poorer people always had more alcoholism and domestic abuse, so why do I care if it goes up if schools close”

That’s a ridiculous attitude.

Btw the whole point of politics and left and right should be that we discuss things and point things out to each other where they are going. Just because that guy to you is right wing doesn’t mean 100% of what he says is wrong. People both on left and right are right about certain things and certain times. That’s why we need debate and not polarization. You are dismissing OP for being right wing in your eyes, and dismissing everything he says.

Re:A concept that took hold in the ’70s haunted everything f... by bluecatswim on Friday November 19, 2021 @09:05AM (#29277213)
>He casually says stuff like school closures will haunt society for 100 years

Well maybe you can accuse him of exaggerating but it's true to an extent. In my (third world) country students have effectively missed two years of schooling, I know some primary students who don't know how to read/write very well.

Re:A concept that took hold in the ’70s haunted everything f... by skinnymuch on Friday November 19, 2021 @04:37PM (#29282878)
He was referring to the US. the problem is in a number of cases, the most effected groups like minority people[0] with less money, they didn’t want to risk having their child go to school. Those are the groups most effected negatively by distance learning. In that case, what is the blogger fighting for then? If in person schooling started earlier. These kids would be screwed over 10x more staying home while their better off peers go to in person school if school was open in 2020. Which is what he wanted and blamed progressives for messing up.

Since pandemic I have lived in two places: one affluent and the other solidly middle class. Anecdotally, it didn’t seem like any of the children were close to harmed in a generational way. Society already screws over less affluent and colored students their entire lives. It’s interesting that only now the blogger and conservatives care about the well being of these kids’ educations. When otherwise the status quo does not benefit them.

0 the references I’ve seen that I remember are Hispanic and black parents not wanting their kids to go back to in person school.