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Re:The benefits of not belonging by WalterBright on Thursday November 18, 2021 @03:45PM (#29270280)
> are all extraordinary talented people

They are not talented singers, but they were able to compensate for that.

Fred Astaire, handsome? I don't think so. He's short and very thin. But he is very elegant and charming, which more than made up for it. He is very aware of his body language and uses that to maximum advantage. If you passed him on the street, you'd never conclude he was handsome.

P.S. I've encountered a few hollywood celebrities off camera. The surprising thing is how ordinary they look without the hair, makeup, lighting, costume, etc.

> a phenomenal power to her voice

Oh come on.

> a unique voice

You may not remember her early reviews - "raspy", "unpleasant". I do. Her first album was a complete flop. The only reason Fleetwood Mac took her on was because the band was on the ropes and Buckingham demanded they give his girlfriend a spot.

> had something extraordinary about them

They all worked their ass off, which you confused with talent.

When I eventually got tolerably good at ballroom dancing, people who didn't know me called me "talented". ROFL.

Re:The benefits of not belonging by Aloha on Thursday November 18, 2021 @11:30PM (#29273857)
I am much too young to remember her (Nicks) reviews, her popularity, most of it, was before I was born.

But I find it interesting that two of the people you highlighted as having no talent are known for being songwriters as much as performers, or actors as much as dancers. In any case Nicks songwriting talents helped propel the groups success, and her vocal abilities were a pivotal component of their sound, and quite arguably a driver of their success.

Incidentally, most great male dancers are shorter, its an aid in becoming great at dance. Both Kelly and Astaire were under 6', 5'7 and 5'9 respectively - yet both were considered handsome men by the standards of their time, in part yes, because of movie magic.

And yes, I grew up near Los Angeles, when Angelia Jolie steps out to Starbucks, she while pretty, does not look like a great actress of the screen, she looks like a nice looking woman stepping out for coffee.

Re:The benefits of not belonging by WalterBright on Thursday November 18, 2021 @08:07PM (#29272632)
A singer with a powerful voice is Grace Slick. Compare her singing to Nicks. Nicks knows that doing a cover for White Rabbit would be a bad idea :-)

A singer with great range and control would be Whitney Houston. You won't see Nicks covering her songs, either.

A singer with natural talent is Karen Carpenter. She had little training, yet became a much loved singer.

Re:The benefits of not belonging by Aloha on Thursday November 18, 2021 @11:10PM (#29273740)
Yes, those people also have or had talent - and as a side note, Karen Carpenter is grossly under appreciated, like hugely so. Her voice is so pure and clear, and I think it's because of the music she sung. She was also a really great drummer, and she considered herself a drummer first, and a singer second.