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Re:Lemmy Release v0.14.0: Federation with Mastodon and Pleroma by wraptile on Thursday November 18, 2021 @11:32AM (#29267310)
That means you have to build from source which kinda goes against the spirit of a decentralized network.
Re:Lemmy Release v0.14.0: Federation with Mastodon and Pleroma by nightpool on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:11PM (#29267792)
Updating the source code of your software goes agains the spirit of a decentralized network? How? The whole point of decentralized networks is that people with different source code/implementations can communicate with each other.
Re:Lemmy Release v0.14.0: Federation with Mastodon and Pleroma by andrewzah on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:14PM (#29267831)
Because it reduces the operators of said networks to people who know how to build rust/etc projects from source. That is limiting and off putting.
Re:Lemmy Release v0.14.0: Federation with Mastodon and Pleroma by rndmind on Thursday November 18, 2021 @01:16PM (#29268601)
That's true, compiling rust is harsh, but we're are talking about server admins and sysadmins here, I have faith that sysadmins will know how to compile and deploy rust.

TIL the Lemmy Server code is written in rust, hell yeah

Re:Lemmy Release v0.14.0: Federation with Mastodon and Pleroma by nightpool on Thursday November 18, 2021 @04:02PM (#29270495)
Yes. That's what the word "operator" means. You need to operate the software that the network depends on, or trust someone who does. You see this a lot of time in the Bitcoin/cryptocurrency community as well, where node operators complain about the changes "forced onto them" by developers. Ultimately, it's a labor problem—if someone else is writing your code for you, and you don't know how to modify it, you're at the mercy of their decisions.
Re:Lemmy Release v0.14.0: Federation with Mastodon and Pleroma by all2 on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:31PM (#29268067)
Sounds like a business opportunity.

Federated software vendor: we do the dirty work so you can start a new instance with one click.

Re:Lemmy Release v0.14.0: Federation with Mastodon and Pleroma by andrewzah on Thursday November 18, 2021 @01:04PM (#29268456)
There are services like that for Mastodon [0]. But a provider that lets you host from a choice of e.g. mastodon, pleroma, lemmy etc would be interesting.

[0]: https://masto.host/

Re:Lemmy Release v0.14.0: Federation with Mastodon and Pleroma by harpersealtako on Thursday November 18, 2021 @06:31PM (#29271977)
masto.host has a great deal of restrictive, somewhat arbitrary content moderation policies for what is basically just a server host[0].

Since that the original problem is that admins may want to override built-in censorship policies to suit their instance's needs and values, I don't think an even more censorious centralized authority is a great example of a solution.

[0]: https://masto.host/tos/

Re:Lemmy Release v0.14.0: Federation with Mastodon and Pleroma by andrewzah on Thursday November 18, 2021 @10:21PM (#29273426)
I have no affiliation, nor a recommendation. Just noticed that they do provide that service.

Using any hosting provider is ultimately a risk compared to hosting yourself, that's the price you pay for not having the know-how to host it yourself.

And even if you do selfhost, cloudflare may wake up one day and say "nah".

Re:Lemmy Release v0.14.0: Federation with Mastodon and Pleroma by coldacid on Thursday November 18, 2021 @03:59PM (#29270445)
Masto.host is run by one of those people who put inflexible ideology ahead of the wants and needs of their users. That is ever a concern when having a third party set up and manage everything for you.
Re:Lemmy Release v0.14.0: Federation with Mastodon and Pleroma by tedunangst on Thursday November 18, 2021 @02:11PM (#29269209)
Does that one click also edit the source code?
Re:Lemmy Release v0.14.0: Federation with Mastodon and Pleroma by all2 on Thursday November 18, 2021 @05:52PM (#29271633)
I suppose users could apply patches and alter configurations? Caveat Emptor: we do not offer customer support for altered source/configs.
Re:Lemmy Release v0.14.0: Federation with Mastodon and Pleroma by BeFlatXIII on Thursday November 18, 2021 @03:17PM (#29269937)
Do you want your sysadmin to be someone who provably can't build from source?