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Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by manishsharan on Thursday November 18, 2021 @10:42AM (#29266677)
I have a feeling it is being used to produce more nonsensical web pages. Often when I am searching the web for information on a product or a review , I land on a page that has weirdly phrased and often repetitive sentences which provide no useful information. I am assuming those pages are generated by OpenAI or similar technology.
Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by jakear on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:00PM (#29267664)
The singularity will come when the set of training data available for scrape is dominated by AI generated content and the AI's learnings are derivatives of what old AI's produced.

Human thought on the other hand has some sort of undefinable entropic-value that AI to-date is missing, a Human can produce a "good idea", whereas an AI produces a bunch of potential continuations of a stings of text and selects randomly amongst them (or, even better, a Human selects from them).

Unfortunately the advertising game mixes up the incentives and flips the equation so that the purpose of communication isn't to share a "good idea" as efficiently as possible, but rather to keep eyeballs on your website for as long as possible in the hope some flashy banner ad will distract your user and you'll get your $0.02 for them abandoning your page, likely unfinished. AI will (and already does) excel at this sort of task, but it's the kind of task that ought to have no value whatsoever.

Luckily we have increasingly sophisticated summarization-AI to go from the filler-AI generated crap back down to a couple of bullet points, but at that point you've invested millions of dollars, researcher-hours, engineer-hours, compute-hours, etc, to make the worst text-compression utility of all time.

Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by visarga on Friday November 19, 2021 @03:05AM (#29274911)
By the way, it's not just text anymore, you can train GPT-3 on Youtube. You get aligned visual and speech channels and data in vast quantities. That means it's easier to tell if the source is human.
Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by bransonf on Thursday November 18, 2021 @10:54AM (#29266845)
Bingo

It’s increasingly difficult to find product reviews with search engines.

Massive auto generated content farms take a product name and add loads of AI-generated filler text. Pop in a bunch of banner ads and an affiliate link and they have huge economic incentive to scale these operations.

I’m very pessimistic about the direction the internet is going these days. The AI crisis isn’t going to be sentient AI trying to kill us, it’s going to be a flood of noise over knowledge.

Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by skybrian on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:21PM (#29267926)
Sometimes it works to add "reddit" to your search to find interesting comments. I suppose that will eventually be gamed too.
Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by Jorge1o1 on Thursday November 18, 2021 @11:05AM (#29266987)
Until we have to start making AIs to identify knowledge and filter out noise. And then a whole cat-and-mouse game between fake news AI and fake news detection AI.
Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by tehsauce on Thursday November 18, 2021 @11:59AM (#29267649)
This is the exact situation we are currently in.

https://rowanzellers.com/grover/

Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by visarga on Friday November 19, 2021 @04:56AM (#29275520)
The end result is more robust AI and an understanding of failure modes.
Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by ccheney on Thursday November 18, 2021 @11:20AM (#29267161)
I recall in the mid/late 2000's implementing a markov text generator to create thousands of static html pages based on certain keywords. This has been a problem for over a decade and will probably get worse as text generation tools improve, e.g. GPT-3.
Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by ju_sh on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:45PM (#29268241)
I've got some insight into this (Several friends, now multi-millionaires ran and flipped tens of sites like this) They're mostly written by low paid content writers in 3rd world countries such as Vietnam and the Philippines. Primarily to drive affiliate traffic to Amazon and other retailers with affiliate schemes. They all operate on a similar format - 10 items with good reviews, write 300 words about each product, rinse, repeat, profit.
Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by eggsmediumrare on Thursday November 18, 2021 @02:03PM (#29269132)
What a world where people can become multi-millionaires in this way while nurses and teachers can't even get cost of living adjustments.
Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by occamrazor on Thursday November 18, 2021 @04:47PM (#29271054)
Right now most of those pages are produced by much simpler models, which copy an existing page and replace text snippets with synonyms. I am sure that soon the spammers will switch to better models.
Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by miohtama on Thursday November 18, 2021 @11:42AM (#29267442)
Had similar experience recently and it had made all the way to be the top Google news hit - apparently the site is cranking out ”news” as SEO spam to promote their app.

https://mobile.twitter.com/moo9000/status/145873329934659174...

Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by penjelly on Thursday November 18, 2021 @11:14AM (#29267095)
been playing with copilot lately and even it just seems more annoying then it is helpful so far. Will continue experimenting but so far my impression has soured a bit
Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by visarga on Friday November 19, 2021 @04:58AM (#29275532)
I tried Copilot and removed it from my IDE. Not good enough, only fills in obvious parts and even there makes mistakes.
Re:OpenAI’s API now available with no waitlist by missinfo on Thursday November 18, 2021 @01:32PM (#29268776)
I often wonder about this with Twitter accounts. How many are already GPT-3 generated?

We'll need another GPT-3 bot to detect the GPT-3 bots.