How did so much of the media get the Steele dossier so wrong?

Re:How did so much of the media get the Steele dossier so wr... by sp0rk on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @10:34AM (#29241653)

This opinion piece casually makes the very bold claim that the Steele Dossier has been disproven now, though the only evidence they seem to provide is that one of the informants has been arrested for lying to the FBI. I have not heard of any evidence that has directly contradicted the dossier, and in fact, I've seen a handful of news stories where other internet commenters have noticed that the timelines discovered from current investigations have matched up with pieces of the dossier.

What parts have been disproven, exactly?

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Re:How did so much of the media get the Steele dossier so wr... by dfadsadsf on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @12:50PM (#29243754)

> sp0rk is a Marsian spy sent to infiltrate Hacker News. He likes to take ammonia baths and ate baby for breakfast on Venus in October 2006.

Now please present evidence that disproof this claim. While you are collecting evidence, I will assume that statement above is true.

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Re:How did so much of the media get the Steele dossier so wr... by beervirus on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @10:47AM (#29241840)

It’s hard to prove a negative. But after years of investigations, no support for any of its notable claims has been found. And now we’re learning that it was indeed based on lies.

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Re:How did so much of the media get the Steele dossier so wr... by Gimpei on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @11:02AM (#29242084)

Exactly. I could write a report right now about how Biden is secretly being telepathically controlled by a species of deep sea shrimp. I can't see how it would be ethical to publish that though.

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Re:How did so much of the media get the Steele dossier so wr... by unanswered on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @01:36PM (#29244601)

> And now we’re learning that it was indeed based on lies.

No, now we're admitting that it was based on lies. That information has been around for a long time; if not quite all the way to the first allegations, at least very soon thereafter. It's the same deal with the lab leak. The information showing the lab leak hypothesis is at least plausible (if unprovable) was available in May 2020, but it was only this year that various actors got around to admitting the plausibility. We didn't "learn" anything this year that changed the underlying facts in either case; it's just that the facts became morally permissible to report.

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Re:How did so much of the media get the Steele dossier so wr... by jesterman81 on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @11:01AM (#29242065)

There is ample evidence that shows the Dossier was faked and paid for by the Clinton campaign. It's just not presented with all the hysteria like the collusion story was. If they did they would show how much egg on the face actually exists.

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Re:How did so much of the media get the Steele dossier so wr... by JacobThreeThree on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @10:40AM (#29241743)

The NYT seems to think it's been discredited:

>Now it has been largely discredited by two federal investigations and the indictment of a key source, leaving journalists to reckon how, in the heat of competition, so many were taken in so easily because the dossier seemed to confirm what they already suspected.

Do you know something the NYT doesn't?

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Re:How did so much of the media get the Steele dossier so wr... by js2 on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @10:47AM (#29241839)

This is a guest essay. Your quote should be attributed to he writer, Bill Grueskin, not to the NYT.

https://help.nytimes.com/hc/en-us/articles/115014809107-How-...

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Re:How did so much of the media get the Steele dossier so wr... by mc32 on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @10:50AM (#29241890)

This is narrative writing. It wasn’t in the ‘heat of competition’ it was in essence collusion of traditional and modern media with the opposition party in order to discredit and undermine a presidency they disliked.

For counter example look at how they avoided looking into emails on hunter Biden's laptop. Oh, we can’t prove the emails are genuine… but they had no problem taking evidence against their disfavored candidates at face value.

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Re:How did so much of the media get the Steele dossier so wr... by Sosh101 on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @10:54AM (#29241954)

Right, for an article espousing the virtues of evidence they don't seem to provide much for that claim.

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Re:How did so much of the media get the Steele dossier so wr... by noxer on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @07:15PM (#29247968)

Something something burden of proof. You got it backwards mate.

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