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Re:YouTube takes down independent court livestreams by remarkEon on Monday November 15, 2021 @04:55PM (#29233327)
If I'm re-streaming a public access channel, say PBS, that is live-streaming a trial and I'm doing commentary on it how exactly does that trigger an automated copyright take-down notice? Am I missing something on how public events are covered under copyright law? (IANAL)
Re:YouTube takes down independent court livestreams by cocoricamo on Monday November 15, 2021 @08:30PM (#29235492)
I've been following Rekieta's stream for about a week, it was ok until today. I doubt that it was automated, probably reported by someone.
Re:YouTube takes down independent court livestreams by remarkEon on Monday November 15, 2021 @08:47PM (#29235629)
Hadn't thought of that. I've been listening intermitently, and the fact that only today - and during Jury instructions no less - does the channel go down make me think that yeah, someone reported it, and the automation probably kicked in after that. Simplest explanation I think.
Re:YouTube takes down independent court livestreams by freejazz on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:01PM (#29233401)
You are missing the fact that automated copyright take-down systems aren't perfect and are likely designed to learn towards taking fair things down, and not living infringing things up.
Re:YouTube takes down independent court livestreams by remarkEon on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:10PM (#29233507)
I'm not missing anything. If this is automated, you're telling me they can't put in a rule that says "if public access, then take-down not apply"? Maybe you're making a different claim that a network stream (from CBS or another) is not eligible for re-stream? That I find more compelling, but then again it also shouldn't be hard to add another layer to that rule.
Re:YouTube takes down independent court livestreams by randallsquared on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:23PM (#29233668)
Is all the metadata really in place such that CBS' and other networks' streams are able to be labeled as sourced from public access? I don't know, but my assumption is that it isn't, and that large media companies wouldn't bother to use it even if it's technically feasible.

Given the lack of such metadata on the streams which typically have protected content, the system taking these down probably just looks at similarity of content to streams which are proprietary and silences them "to be safe".

Re:YouTube takes down independent court livestreams by remarkEon on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:36PM (#29233825)
I think the conclusion I'm drifting toward is thus "YouTube could make it possible for wonkish commentary on live public access topics by creators on the platform, but they don't care enough to do it", which makes sense.
Re:YouTube takes down independent court livestreams by jjk166 on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:35PM (#29233804)
How exactly would they know that it's public access? Their algorithms don't understand what content is, it just recognizes patterns in data, and that one snippet of video is sufficiently similar to another as to be considered the same snippet. Putting in a rule to deal with an edge case is non-trivial, and there are an infinite number of edge cases.
Re:YouTube takes down independent court livestreams by concinds on Monday November 15, 2021 @06:14PM (#29234222)
Pretty sure YouTube employees have already classified all government channels and public access channels as such. There's a notice below those videos that indicates it. And if not, it should be done anyway.
Re:YouTube takes down independent court livestreams by skinkestek on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:52PM (#29234000)
They are pretty smart, I guess they could reuse the same technology they use to not to take down videos with "correct" views that they agree with?
Re:YouTube takes down independent court livestreams by freejazz on Monday November 15, 2021 @08:04PM (#29235273)
Yawn. Just a conclusion looking for its argument. I'm not sure why this kind of talk is tolerated here on these kinds of topics but other topics its widely downvoted for being the baseless and specious nonsense that it is.
Re:YouTube takes down independent court livestreams by remarkEon on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:42PM (#29233899)
You don't have to make the algorithm do it, is what I'm saying.
Re:YouTube takes down independent court livestreams by freejazz on Monday November 15, 2021 @08:02PM (#29235259)
It might not be an issue of the difficulty. All of these will inherently be error prone, so why automate something that isn't going to significantly going to reduce your workload in the end, while also simultaneously annoying the advertisers that actually pay YouTube.