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Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by josephg on Monday November 15, 2021 @03:38PM (#29232391)
Unfortunately it doesn’t really matter who’s fault it is from the perspective of the user.

All the windows computers at the computer shop ship with bloated 3rd party crap. Except the apple computers. It’s also not Google’s fault that most android vendors don’t support old devices for long. Or Linux’s fault that hardware vendors make linux drivers an afterthought.

As a consumer, I don’t care why any of this happens. I just want the things I buy to work properly.

Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by ziml77 on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:28PM (#29233723)
Who decides what's bloat? macOS ships with Apple News, Podcasts, the App Store, Books, Garageband, Stocks, iMovie, Keynote, etc. A lot of their stuff is even pinned to the taskbar by default. Should be consider that bloat? I don't need any of those programs (or prefer alternatives), so it seems like it's bloat for me.
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by itzprime on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @06:20AM (#29239288)
Yes it is bloat. But there is a difference in easy to get rid bloat (just delete them in Apple) vs needing to change registry settings, etc and jump over several hoops to remove the bloat that comes with windows
Re:If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big th... by josephg on Monday November 15, 2021 @06:13PM (#29234207)
I’m not sure. The bloat meter in my mind certainly goes up when these programs start phoning home to update stocks or whatever. (Despite me never even opening that program).

I should definitely have the option to turn this crap off if I want to - without needing a 3rd party program like little snitch to do so.